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	<title>Comments on: Plus Ca Change: Isaiah On the Egyptian Crisis</title>
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		<title>By: Nick Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/03/plus-ca-change-isaiah-on-the-egyptian-crisis/#comment-223196</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You will never get &quot;flamed&quot; here if you present reasoned arguement. More than a few of us have come to realize the 2 parties have been slowly becoming one and the same. With hope, this will soon change. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will never get &quot;flamed&quot; here if you present reasoned arguement. More than a few of us have come to realize the 2 parties have been slowly becoming one and the same. With hope, this will soon change. </p>
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		<title>By: Nick Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/03/plus-ca-change-isaiah-on-the-egyptian-crisis/#comment-223193</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the involvement of Russia can be explained by the participation of left wing radicals (communists) in the Egyptian demonstrations. Russia is merely acting through proxies. Don&#039;t think for a moment communism is dead in Russia. It&#039;s just waiting for an opportune moment to strike again as it is in the West.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the involvement of Russia can be explained by the participation of left wing radicals (communists) in the Egyptian demonstrations. Russia is merely acting through proxies. Don&#039;t think for a moment communism is dead in Russia. It&#039;s just waiting for an opportune moment to strike again as it is in the West.  </p>
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		<title>By: winoceros</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/03/plus-ca-change-isaiah-on-the-egyptian-crisis/#comment-223125</link>
		<dc:creator>winoceros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 13:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can respect your opinion, though I have personally no problem with people trying to examine the more esoteric parts of the texts of their faith by holding it up to the candle of this millennium or that.  Predictions don&#039;t cost anything, and it came bring some comfort.  I also tend to value people who like to do homework outside of class, so I appreciated the work. 
I would say regarding your political point, however, that democracy simply means you get to vote for the fool who is running.  There is no guarantee one will be a fool and one won&#039;t.  Iran and Gaza have &quot;democracies.&quot;  It is only when we dare to champion the not-a-chance candidate who truly has the traits you seek, that we will finally have representation. 
Sadly, we must remember they are only politicians, and not always the cultural and international leaders we truly need as a nation. 
Thank you for your thoughts, just as I thank Rosewood for hers.  I learn much from both of you.  I believe many in our country feel the way you do.  I however, personally, am not for pure democracy, as it removes the deliberative nature of our republic. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can respect your opinion, though I have personally no problem with people trying to examine the more esoteric parts of the texts of their faith by holding it up to the candle of this millennium or that.  Predictions don&#039;t cost anything, and it came bring some comfort.  I also tend to value people who like to do homework outside of class, so I appreciated the work.<br />
I would say regarding your political point, however, that democracy simply means you get to vote for the fool who is running.  There is no guarantee one will be a fool and one won&#039;t.  Iran and Gaza have &quot;democracies.&quot;  It is only when we dare to champion the not-a-chance candidate who truly has the traits you seek, that we will finally have representation.<br />
Sadly, we must remember they are only politicians, and not always the cultural and international leaders we truly need as a nation.<br />
Thank you for your thoughts, just as I thank Rosewood for hers.  I learn much from both of you.  I believe many in our country feel the way you do.  I however, personally, am not for pure democracy, as it removes the deliberative nature of our republic. </p>
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		<title>By: DArtagnan1</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/03/plus-ca-change-isaiah-on-the-egyptian-crisis/#comment-222633</link>
		<dc:creator>DArtagnan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 08:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t realize this was a religious site and that the Bible can be reverse-engineered to apply it to any current event anytime anyone pleases.  Well I suppose it&#039;s time to try on a new template, since the Bible predictions of Pat Robertson that Russia would attack Israel didn&#039;t work out.   
 
I won&#039;t be surprised if I get flamed for this comment but I feel I&#039;ve been betrayed by not only Obama but also by the Republican party.  Any useful idiot by now should realize that behind the scenes they operate as one party and only put on a drama so the regular American can beleive he/she is living in a democracy.  It&#039;s obvious Republicans and Democratic politicians are not there to serve &quot;the people&quot; anymore. 
 
If there is one lesson to be learned from the Egyptians it is the fact that it&#039;s way overdue for the regular American to get off his duff and completely revamp the political elite on both sides of the aisle.  The many can actually tell the few what to do.  But apparently Americans are too dumbed down to realize this.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#039;t realize this was a religious site and that the Bible can be reverse-engineered to apply it to any current event anytime anyone pleases.  Well I suppose it&#039;s time to try on a new template, since the Bible predictions of Pat Robertson that Russia would attack Israel didn&#039;t work out.   </p>
<p>I won&#039;t be surprised if I get flamed for this comment but I feel I&#039;ve been betrayed by not only Obama but also by the Republican party.  Any useful idiot by now should realize that behind the scenes they operate as one party and only put on a drama so the regular American can beleive he/she is living in a democracy.  It&#039;s obvious Republicans and Democratic politicians are not there to serve &quot;the people&quot; anymore. </p>
<p>If there is one lesson to be learned from the Egyptians it is the fact that it&#039;s way overdue for the regular American to get off his duff and completely revamp the political elite on both sides of the aisle.  The many can actually tell the few what to do.  But apparently Americans are too dumbed down to realize this.   </p>
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		<title>By: Lady_Dr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady_Dr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THANK YOU.  I too feel betrayed by POTUS and hence I made aliyah (immigrated to Israel).  But I hate the winter here which is very cold for this southern girl.  Please prayer for me and for those like me who love Israel but would prefer to live in the states.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU.  I too feel betrayed by POTUS and hence I made aliyah (immigrated to Israel).  But I hate the winter here which is very cold for this southern girl.  Please prayer for me and for those like me who love Israel but would prefer to live in the states.  </p>
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		<title>By: outerlimits</title>
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		<dc:creator>outerlimits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pray for Israel.   I wish we could somehow scoop them up, and bring them here.  I know that is childish and silly.  They  LOVE  their homeland.  I hate to think of them enduring more suffering, and feeling deserted and fearful.  I  feel so helpless, and it pains me to think they are so alone.  I hope they know how many of us here in America care deeply about them, and also feel betrayed by this POTUS. God help us.   We have  madman in the White House, and this is perhaps THE crisis he has been waiting for to achieve the change he, and the  radical left ,have been dreaming of.          ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pray for Israel.   I wish we could somehow scoop them up, and bring them here.  I know that is childish and silly.  They  LOVE  their homeland.  I hate to think of them enduring more suffering, and feeling deserted and fearful.  I  feel so helpless, and it pains me to think they are so alone.  I hope they know how many of us here in America care deeply about them, and also feel betrayed by this POTUS. God help us.   We have  madman in the White House, and this is perhaps THE crisis he has been waiting for to achieve the change he, and the  radical left ,have been dreaming of.          </p>
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		<title>By: sodizzy</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/03/plus-ca-change-isaiah-on-the-egyptian-crisis/#comment-221762</link>
		<dc:creator>sodizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 05:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said.  Agreed. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  Agreed. </p>
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		<title>By: johnnywoods</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/03/plus-ca-change-isaiah-on-the-egyptian-crisis/#comment-221645</link>
		<dc:creator>johnnywoods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 00:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ez. 38:4 tells us why this invasion will take place,&quot;I (LORD) will turn you around.put hooks into your jaws and lead you out.....&quot; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ez. 38:4 tells us why this invasion will take place,&quot;I (LORD) will turn you around.put hooks into your jaws and lead you out&#8230;..&quot; </p>
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		<title>By: rob10lor</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/03/plus-ca-change-isaiah-on-the-egyptian-crisis/#comment-221601</link>
		<dc:creator>rob10lor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s going to be interesting to see how this all play out. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s going to be interesting to see how this all play out. </p>
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		<title>By: Rosewood11</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/03/plus-ca-change-isaiah-on-the-egyptian-crisis/#comment-221424</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosewood11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other day, I was responding  under another identity (RosettaStone--sorry, when I created it, I didn&#039;t realize that you and Jihad Watch were linked).  I made the following comment regarding a &quot;muslim brotherhood&quot; official&#039;s call for muslims to prepare for war with Israel: &quot;Ezekiel 38, anybody!?!&quot; Another commentator by the name of &quot;Eastview&quot; asked me to explain the reference, and by the time I found that out, I think we missed connections. The response is I prepared is also relevent here, and perhaps it will reach &quot;Eastview&quot; in this forum. 
 
 
Dear Eastview and All, 
In the interest of full disclosure, the interpretation I&#8217;m going to give here comes out of my background as a Baptist. My early preachers considered themselves &#8220;fundamentalist,&#8221; and though a more &#8220;politically correct&#8221; title would be &#8220;evangelical,&#8221; much of Scriptural interpretation regarding prophecy is the same. This view would be considered Pre-tribulation and Pre-Millennial. I realize that some do not agree with that view, and if you will make me aware of a blog where that discussion goes on, I&#8217;ll be glad to meet you there. 
 
I referred to Ezekiel 38 which tells of an attack on Israel. The prophecy is spoken against &#8220;Gog of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal.&#8221; This was interpreted in the churches of my upbringing as Russia/USSR, with the names, Meshech and Tubal, said to be ancient references to Moscow and Tobolsk on one hand, and cities in the Crimea on another. Gog is also identified with Russia because Scripture says this enemy will come against Israel from the far North. Along with Magog, the names of Gomer and Togarmah are mentioned. This grouping is also seen in the Genesis 10 genealogy of Noah as descendents of Japheth, one of Noah&#8217;s three sons. Ethnologists believe these peoples migrated east out of Asia Minor, spreading as far as areas beyond the Black and Caspian Seas. In speaking of descendents of Magog, Dr. Chuck Missler refers to the Scythians, who &#8220;terrorized the southern steppes of Russia from the Ukraine to the Great Wall of China,&#8221; from the tenth to the third centuries BC. Identified as descendents of Gomer, Joel Richardson states the Cimmerians were a people of Cappadocia, part of central Turkey. Some believe they are the progenitors of the Germanic and East European peoples. The peoples of Togarmah, also descendents of Gomer, are considered to be from southeastern Turkey near the Syrian border.  
 
Of the other allies of Russia in this attack on Israel, the one everyone seems to agree on is Persia (Iran). Others mentioned in Ezekiel 38:5 are &#8220;Cush&#8221; (the upper Nile region, roughly modern Sudan) and Put (northern Africa, thought to include Libya, Algeria, Morocco and Tunis according to Walid Shoebat). In Daniel 11, considered to be parallel passage, the &#8220;King of the South&#8221; is mentioned. This was always thought to refer to Egypt according to my pastors.  
 
Ezekiel 38:13 mentions Sheba (modern Yemen), and Dedan, which is now believed to be located in Saudi Arabia along the shores of the Red Sea, west of Medina. Also mentioned is Tarshish, thought by some to be modern Spain or even England. These latter three seem to watching as the countries above attack Israel. Interestingly, in Daniel 11:41, it is mentioned that Edom (another area of northern Saudi Arabia), Moab (east of the Dead Sea) and Ammon (roughly Jordan) will be &#8220;rescued.&#8221; In a recent talk, Missler questioned whether Ezekiel 38:13 shows these three &#8220;nations&#8221; watching as Russia and it&#8217;s allies attack Israel, perhaps because they have been defeated earlier, or are in no position economically to join in. 
 
For many years, the question was why Russia would attack Israel. It took the discovery of oil and industrialization to answer it. Like other industrialized nations, Russia has allied itself with countries that have extensive oil reserves. However, while Russia has been known to attack its own Jewish citizens, until the discovery of oil, I am unaware of anything that would cause Russia to attack anyone so far south of its borders. The same can be said of what many believe to be China&#8217;s army (Rev. 9:16) of 200 million men. If they were not allied with Iran, Iraq, and the other oil-producing countries of the Middle East, I can think of no special reason why they would come against Israel. Yet all of these peoples are mentioned, and we can now see them coming together exactly as Scripture said they would. 
 
Finally, I should mention the books I have used in preparing this. Dr. Chuck Missler is the author of Prophecy 20/20, and is responsible for the information on the Scythians and Cimmerians. Joel Richardson&#8217;s excellent book, The Islamic Antichrist: The Shocking Truth about the Real Nature of the Beast is the source identifying some of the more obscure nations mentioned. Finally, Jerusalem Countdown by Pastor John Hagee provided the information on the migration of Noah&#8217;s descendents. I recommend all of these books which can be found at most good Christian and secular bookstores, or through Amazon and similar online retailers. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day, I was responding  under another identity (RosettaStone&#8211;sorry, when I created it, I didn&#039;t realize that you and Jihad Watch were linked).  I made the following comment regarding a &quot;muslim brotherhood&quot; official&#039;s call for muslims to prepare for war with Israel: &quot;Ezekiel 38, anybody!?!&quot; Another commentator by the name of &quot;Eastview&quot; asked me to explain the reference, and by the time I found that out, I think we missed connections. The response is I prepared is also relevent here, and perhaps it will reach &quot;Eastview&quot; in this forum. </p>
<p>Dear Eastview and All,<br />
In the interest of full disclosure, the interpretation I&rsquo;m going to give here comes out of my background as a Baptist. My early preachers considered themselves &ldquo;fundamentalist,&rdquo; and though a more &ldquo;politically correct&rdquo; title would be &ldquo;evangelical,&rdquo; much of Scriptural interpretation regarding prophecy is the same. This view would be considered Pre-tribulation and Pre-Millennial. I realize that some do not agree with that view, and if you will make me aware of a blog where that discussion goes on, I&rsquo;ll be glad to meet you there. </p>
<p>I referred to Ezekiel 38 which tells of an attack on Israel. The prophecy is spoken against &ldquo;Gog of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal.&rdquo; This was interpreted in the churches of my upbringing as Russia/USSR, with the names, Meshech and Tubal, said to be ancient references to Moscow and Tobolsk on one hand, and cities in the Crimea on another. Gog is also identified with Russia because Scripture says this enemy will come against Israel from the far North. Along with Magog, the names of Gomer and Togarmah are mentioned. This grouping is also seen in the Genesis 10 genealogy of Noah as descendents of Japheth, one of Noah&rsquo;s three sons. Ethnologists believe these peoples migrated east out of Asia Minor, spreading as far as areas beyond the Black and Caspian Seas. In speaking of descendents of Magog, Dr. Chuck Missler refers to the Scythians, who &ldquo;terrorized the southern steppes of Russia from the Ukraine to the Great Wall of China,&rdquo; from the tenth to the third centuries BC. Identified as descendents of Gomer, Joel Richardson states the Cimmerians were a people of Cappadocia, part of central Turkey. Some believe they are the progenitors of the Germanic and East European peoples. The peoples of Togarmah, also descendents of Gomer, are considered to be from southeastern Turkey near the Syrian border.  </p>
<p>Of the other allies of Russia in this attack on Israel, the one everyone seems to agree on is Persia (Iran). Others mentioned in Ezekiel 38:5 are &ldquo;Cush&rdquo; (the upper Nile region, roughly modern Sudan) and Put (northern Africa, thought to include Libya, Algeria, Morocco and Tunis according to Walid Shoebat). In Daniel 11, considered to be parallel passage, the &ldquo;King of the South&rdquo; is mentioned. This was always thought to refer to Egypt according to my pastors.  </p>
<p>Ezekiel 38:13 mentions Sheba (modern Yemen), and Dedan, which is now believed to be located in Saudi Arabia along the shores of the Red Sea, west of Medina. Also mentioned is Tarshish, thought by some to be modern Spain or even England. These latter three seem to watching as the countries above attack Israel. Interestingly, in Daniel 11:41, it is mentioned that Edom (another area of northern Saudi Arabia), Moab (east of the Dead Sea) and Ammon (roughly Jordan) will be &ldquo;rescued.&rdquo; In a recent talk, Missler questioned whether Ezekiel 38:13 shows these three &ldquo;nations&rdquo; watching as Russia and it&rsquo;s allies attack Israel, perhaps because they have been defeated earlier, or are in no position economically to join in. </p>
<p>For many years, the question was why Russia would attack Israel. It took the discovery of oil and industrialization to answer it. Like other industrialized nations, Russia has allied itself with countries that have extensive oil reserves. However, while Russia has been known to attack its own Jewish citizens, until the discovery of oil, I am unaware of anything that would cause Russia to attack anyone so far south of its borders. The same can be said of what many believe to be China&rsquo;s army (Rev. 9:16) of 200 million men. If they were not allied with Iran, Iraq, and the other oil-producing countries of the Middle East, I can think of no special reason why they would come against Israel. Yet all of these peoples are mentioned, and we can now see them coming together exactly as Scripture said they would. </p>
<p>Finally, I should mention the books I have used in preparing this. Dr. Chuck Missler is the author of Prophecy 20/20, and is responsible for the information on the Scythians and Cimmerians. Joel Richardson&rsquo;s excellent book, The Islamic Antichrist: The Shocking Truth about the Real Nature of the Beast is the source identifying some of the more obscure nations mentioned. Finally, Jerusalem Countdown by Pastor John Hagee provided the information on the migration of Noah&rsquo;s descendents. I recommend all of these books which can be found at most good Christian and secular bookstores, or through Amazon and similar online retailers. </p>
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		<title>By: WilliamJamesWard</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamJamesWard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 01:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the day of great battle The &quot;Lord of Hosts&quot; will express a particular anger  
towards Egypt due to its perverseness towards Israel. In the coming great  
battle Judah will have the &quot;coulsel of The Lord of Hosts&quot;, while Egypt will be  
trusting in falsehood. The outcome is inevitable and the eyes of the Jews  
will be opened and the World will be astonished, admonished and the center  
of all will be Jerusalem. From the loins of Abraham and womb of Sarah Israel  
was born into the World and for God&#039;s purposes, He is working a great work  
which will come to fruition. I fear not for Israel, remember when Jonathan asked  
his armorbearer &quot;where are they, our enemies&quot; and the reply was they are all  
around us, we are surrounded by them and Jonathan said &quot;good now I have  
them where I want them&quot;...................so it will be again...........................William ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the day of great battle The &quot;Lord of Hosts&quot; will express a particular anger<br />
towards Egypt due to its perverseness towards Israel. In the coming great<br />
battle Judah will have the &quot;coulsel of The Lord of Hosts&quot;, while Egypt will be<br />
trusting in falsehood. The outcome is inevitable and the eyes of the Jews<br />
will be opened and the World will be astonished, admonished and the center<br />
of all will be Jerusalem. From the loins of Abraham and womb of Sarah Israel<br />
was born into the World and for God&#039;s purposes, He is working a great work<br />
which will come to fruition. I fear not for Israel, remember when Jonathan asked<br />
his armorbearer &quot;where are they, our enemies&quot; and the reply was they are all<br />
around us, we are surrounded by them and Jonathan said &quot;good now I have<br />
them where I want them&quot;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.so it will be again&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;William </p>
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