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		<title>By: judith77</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/12/23/with-conservatives-like-these-who-needs-liberals/#comment-197027</link>
		<dc:creator>judith77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IMHO, we need both takes of all important issues. We get to make up our own mind. Not the Leftist/Marxist/Commies and not the Come to My Ideology Now or be damned forever. Neither role is good for America. What happened to sound debates that provided all sides and the ultimate consequences for our decisions? Education is mostly indoctrination today. We need true history without the bloviations of the left or the right. Just pure and natural debates. We are thinkers! ...not sheep! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, we need both takes of all important issues. We get to make up our own mind. Not the Leftist/Marxist/Commies and not the Come to My Ideology Now or be damned forever. Neither role is good for America. What happened to sound debates that provided all sides and the ultimate consequences for our decisions? Education is mostly indoctrination today. We need true history without the bloviations of the left or the right. Just pure and natural debates. We are thinkers! &#8230;not sheep! </p>
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		<title>By: Paardestaart</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/12/23/with-conservatives-like-these-who-needs-liberals/#comment-194763</link>
		<dc:creator>Paardestaart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 04:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Progessives always forget that good laws evolve: they originate from the bottom up, they are useless when they are laid down. 
 
After fifty years of &#039;progessivist&#039; enigineering there is hardly anyone left who questions the authorrity of  the State as the leading institution in every sphere of life. Leftists were great believers from the beginning of course, but &#039;conservatives&#039; have been tainted with the idea too, and real conservatism consequently is moribund all over the west  
Indeed - the fight on tobacco and firearms were a clear sign of mischief, and should have given everybody pause: statists and tyrants always start their strangulation of individual freedom and human dignity by doing good works.   
They start by protecting &#039;others&#039; from your smoke, then they protect you from yourself  &#039;for your own good&#039; and ban or tax fat, sugar and salt, and they end by protecting a greater good from your words. They take away your rights, your freedom, your property and even your individuality.  
The state can have no role to play in morality, other than by protecting the life, property and limbs of the people, but getting rid of the intellectual and spiritual pollution from the last century is going to prove almost impossible  
   
Thank goodness for the Constitution and the theorizing of your Founders - it&#039;s the only crutch the west has left if and when it will ever decide to rebuild, or to start anew. Otherwise we would have to reinvent the wheel and start from scratch ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progessives always forget that good laws evolve: they originate from the bottom up, they are useless when they are laid down. </p>
<p>After fifty years of &#039;progessivist&#039; enigineering there is hardly anyone left who questions the authorrity of  the State as the leading institution in every sphere of life. Leftists were great believers from the beginning of course, but &#039;conservatives&#039; have been tainted with the idea too, and real conservatism consequently is moribund all over the west<br />
Indeed &#8211; the fight on tobacco and firearms were a clear sign of mischief, and should have given everybody pause: statists and tyrants always start their strangulation of individual freedom and human dignity by doing good works.<br />
They start by protecting &#039;others&#039; from your smoke, then they protect you from yourself  &#039;for your own good&#039; and ban or tax fat, sugar and salt, and they end by protecting a greater good from your words. They take away your rights, your freedom, your property and even your individuality.<br />
The state can have no role to play in morality, other than by protecting the life, property and limbs of the people, but getting rid of the intellectual and spiritual pollution from the last century is going to prove almost impossible  </p>
<p>Thank goodness for the Constitution and the theorizing of your Founders &#8211; it&#039;s the only crutch the west has left if and when it will ever decide to rebuild, or to start anew. Otherwise we would have to reinvent the wheel and start from scratch </p>
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		<title>By: Reason_For_Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reason_For_Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, but don&#039;t tell Calvin that I said this.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re right, but don&#039;t tell Calvin that I said this.  </p>
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		<title>By: Reason_For_Life</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/12/23/with-conservatives-like-these-who-needs-liberals/#comment-194620</link>
		<dc:creator>Reason_For_Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From your cited source: 
 
&quot;In the 1971 Pentagon Papers case, a 6-3 majority of the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a prior restraint prohibiting the New York Times and Washington Post from publishing classified documents on the Vietnam war. 
 
But even the justices in the majority acknowledged at the time that criminal prosecutions after publication would still be possible. &quot;If a criminal prosecution is instituted, it will be the responsibility of the courts to decide the applicability of the criminal law under which the charge is brought,&quot; wrote Justice Potter Stewart.&quot; 
 
They concluded that the law had yet to be judged as to it&#039;s applicability. The Nixon administration declined to prosecute so what does that say, Calvin? More or less exactly what I said, they had no case and dared not lose the Espionage Act as a threat to hold over the heads of publishers. As long as the law&#039;s constitutionality was not ruled upon (other cases did not involve American newspapers) the government had the threat of legal action. Once declared an unconstitutional attack on free speech the threat would become useless.   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From your cited source: </p>
<p>&quot;In the 1971 Pentagon Papers case, a 6-3 majority of the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a prior restraint prohibiting the New York Times and Washington Post from publishing classified documents on the Vietnam war. </p>
<p>But even the justices in the majority acknowledged at the time that criminal prosecutions after publication would still be possible. &quot;If a criminal prosecution is instituted, it will be the responsibility of the courts to decide the applicability of the criminal law under which the charge is brought,&quot; wrote Justice Potter Stewart.&quot; </p>
<p>They concluded that the law had yet to be judged as to it&#039;s applicability. The Nixon administration declined to prosecute so what does that say, Calvin? More or less exactly what I said, they had no case and dared not lose the Espionage Act as a threat to hold over the heads of publishers. As long as the law&#039;s constitutionality was not ruled upon (other cases did not involve American newspapers) the government had the threat of legal action. Once declared an unconstitutional attack on free speech the threat would become useless.   </p>
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		<title>By: Reason_For_Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reason_For_Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not a character assassin. In your case think of it as an assisted suicide.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a character assassin. In your case think of it as an assisted suicide.  </p>
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		<title>By: DavidSwindle</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidSwindle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calvin is not a Christian Talibanist. He&#039;s an entirely reasonable Christian conservative whose views are within the realm of respectable opinion even if  you don&#039;t agree with them (which I don&#039;t always do, mainly on social issues.) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calvin is not a Christian Talibanist. He&#039;s an entirely reasonable Christian conservative whose views are within the realm of respectable opinion even if  you don&#039;t agree with them (which I don&#039;t always do, mainly on social issues.) </p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Freiburger</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/12/23/with-conservatives-like-these-who-needs-liberals/#comment-194602</link>
		<dc:creator>Calvin Freiburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bull. You know full well you have zero evidence for your slanderous claims. You know my criticism of libertarians is based on information and analysis that none of you intellectual charlatans has ever managed to discredit on the merits. And you know that the majority of my writing IS spent &quot;attacking the enemies of liberty.&quot; 
 
You know all of that, but you lie about me anyway because you have no character or ethics. 
 
I hope you have a Merry Christmas, too. I hope that this holiday season, you&#039;re treated with more basic human decency than you treat those around you with. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bull. You know full well you have zero evidence for your slanderous claims. You know my criticism of libertarians is based on information and analysis that none of you intellectual charlatans has ever managed to discredit on the merits. And you know that the majority of my writing IS spent &quot;attacking the enemies of liberty.&quot; </p>
<p>You know all of that, but you lie about me anyway because you have no character or ethics. </p>
<p>I hope you have a Merry Christmas, too. I hope that this holiday season, you&#039;re treated with more basic human decency than you treat those around you with. </p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Freiburger</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/12/23/with-conservatives-like-these-who-needs-liberals/#comment-194600</link>
		<dc:creator>Calvin Freiburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s not much point carrying on a good-faith debate with a known liar and character assassin (see below), but your legal analysis is bogus: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/case-against-assange-journal-editorial.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/cas...&lt;/a&gt; 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20025430-281.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20025430-281.ht...&lt;/a&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#039;s not much point carrying on a good-faith debate with a known liar and character assassin (see below), but your legal analysis is bogus:<br />
  <a href="http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/case-against-assange-journal-editorial.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/cas" rel="nofollow">http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/cas</a>&#8230;<br />
  <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20025430-281.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20025430-281.ht" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20025430-281.ht</a>&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Reason_For_Life</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/12/23/with-conservatives-like-these-who-needs-liberals/#comment-194596</link>
		<dc:creator>Reason_For_Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This Horowitz column was on the subject of censorship and you criticized the media for sexually suggestive material. If this was in a column about values in movies you could claim that you aren&#039;t suggesting censorship, but not in a column specifically about censorship.   
   
Stop pretending that you are anything but a Christian Talibanist. Liberty offends you. You spend time attacking libertarians that you could spend attacking the enemies of liberty, however no foes of liberty ever sends you into the paroxysms of fury that libertarians do.   
  
You may think that you have me dead (I&#039;m quite sure that the words &quot;to rights&quot; was an after thought) but all you have done is shown yourself repeatedly to despise liberty. 
 
By the way, Merry Christmas.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Horowitz column was on the subject of censorship and you criticized the media for sexually suggestive material. If this was in a column about values in movies you could claim that you aren&#039;t suggesting censorship, but not in a column specifically about censorship.   </p>
<p>Stop pretending that you are anything but a Christian Talibanist. Liberty offends you. You spend time attacking libertarians that you could spend attacking the enemies of liberty, however no foes of liberty ever sends you into the paroxysms of fury that libertarians do.   </p>
<p>You may think that you have me dead (I&#039;m quite sure that the words &quot;to rights&quot; was an after thought) but all you have done is shown yourself repeatedly to despise liberty. </p>
<p>By the way, Merry Christmas.  </p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Freiburger</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/12/23/with-conservatives-like-these-who-needs-liberals/#comment-194588</link>
		<dc:creator>Calvin Freiburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now I have you dead to rights knowingly and deliberately lying about me. Thanks for such a simple, clear, definitive example of your lack of character and credibility.  Game, set, match. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I have you dead to rights knowingly and deliberately lying about me. Thanks for such a simple, clear, definitive example of your lack of character and credibility.  Game, set, match. </p>
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		<title>By: Reason_For_Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reason_For_Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calvin, we all know that you support censorship of all sexually suggestive  material. There&#039;s got to be a Taliban signup card somewhere, I suggest that you join. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calvin, we all know that you support censorship of all sexually suggestive  material. There&#039;s got to be a Taliban signup card somewhere, I suggest that you join. </p>
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		<title>By: Reason_For_Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reason_For_Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WikiLeaks didn&#039;t release them, allegedly it was done by a private in the army.     
   
The private committed a crime by violating his oath, unless it turns out that what he released proves criminal activity by the government. In that case he was obligated both morally and legally to disseminate the information. Under military law no personnel can be punished for refusing to obey an illegal order. The order to assist in the cover up of criminal activity is illegal and therefore not enforceable.   
  
The publisher of such information cannot be held responsible or tried for criminal acts. The 1st Amendment is clear about this and even the authoritarian Nixon regime did not attempt to arrest and try the reporters and editorial staff of the New York Times or the Washington Post when they published the &quot;Pentagon Papers&quot;. 
 
This is why no one take you seriously, Calvin ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WikiLeaks didn&#039;t release them, allegedly it was done by a private in the army.     </p>
<p>The private committed a crime by violating his oath, unless it turns out that what he released proves criminal activity by the government. In that case he was obligated both morally and legally to disseminate the information. Under military law no personnel can be punished for refusing to obey an illegal order. The order to assist in the cover up of criminal activity is illegal and therefore not enforceable.   </p>
<p>The publisher of such information cannot be held responsible or tried for criminal acts. The 1st Amendment is clear about this and even the authoritarian Nixon regime did not attempt to arrest and try the reporters and editorial staff of the New York Times or the Washington Post when they published the &quot;Pentagon Papers&quot;. </p>
<p>This is why no one take you seriously, Calvin </p>
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