Comment posted Pamela Geller Gives Longtime Hannity Guest an Overdue Taste of What He Deserves by ObamaYoMoma.
Since no doubt you'll block my response on your blog site, here is my response to your post:
One of my most persistent critics was a commenter using the name "ObamaYoMoma," whose arguments were as verbose as they were insipid. In a nutshell: The West needs to be totally purged of Islam because it's not really a religion anyway and therefore the First Amendment doesn't apply to it.
That’s an outright blatant lie. Here is what I actually said:
“is Islam a religion? Yes! Is Islam totalitarian? Yes! The truth is Islam unique in the world is both religion and totalitarianism. Indeed, it’s part of the two faces of Islam.”
Then I said:
“you must take Islam in totality for what it really is, a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks to subjugate the world via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal, and when you take Islam in totality for what it really is, it is very clear that it isn’t protected by the free exercise clause of the constitution because the constitution isn’t a suicide pact.”
Now that’s a far cry from saying that Islam, “is not really a religion,” like you said I said above when you deliberately lied. Damn Calvin, I never dreamed you could stoop so low. But, unfortunately, I was obviously wrong.
And if you really think you'll find enough public support, enough of a congressional majority, and elect a president who would support criminalizing an entire religion, plus find so much as a single court in the land who would stand for it…well, let me know how much luck you have.
Of course, anyone can easily go to the referenced post in question and read everything I wrote in response to you and I urge them to, but anyway here is part of my response to Calvin:
“Islam is not just a religion; it is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks to subjugate the world via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal, and that fact can be proven in any court of law beyond a reasonable doubt. Hence, because you don’t know or understand what Islam is or the threat to freedom that it represents, you believe it is impossible.”
Again Calvin, as other people besides just me and like David Swindle and Jeanette Pryor have also both said as well, Islam in the West must be “eradicated,” and if it isn’t eradicated, then as soon as Muslims gain a majority anywhere in the West, they will simply impose Sharia and the non-Muslim minority will instantly become subjugated dhimmis.
Indeed, in Western Europe many experts are predicting that several European states will become Islamic by the middle of this century, with several other Europeans states soon following suit before the end of the century. Do you have any idea what the implications would be to Western Civilization if and when that actually happens Calvin? Or are you totally incapable of connecting the dots that far out? Luckily, not everyone is nearly so narrow-minded as you are Calvin.
Again Calvin, because ostensibly you don’t understand the threat Islam poses to all our freedom, you naively dismiss the threat, and you couldn’t be more naïve.
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- That’s very axiomatic, it’s not a lie.
Hence, if that is the extent of your defense, your case is open and shut. You lose!
- It's clear what's going on here: you take anyone who says "we need to be tougher on Islam" and assume that they really mean "ban the whole thing."
Actually, I made the point that Islam isn’t protected by the free exercise clause of the first amendment of the constitution, because it is again a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks to subjugate the world via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal, and I said that it should be outlawed to stress the point of what Islam really is and to counter those that are claiming that Islam has a perfect right to build mosques in the US because of freedom of religion.
However, Islam is not only a religion alone but also a very radical form of totalitarianism. Indeed, even Muslims will tell you that Islam is a complete way of life – political, religious, and cultural – that via Sharia orders every aspect of society per Allah’s will.
Hence, Islam is not protected by the constitution because of what it really is and thus can and should be outlawed in the USA, because it commands jihad against unbelievers via the imposition of Sharia for the spread of Islam as its main goal, among many other things antithetical to America. However, I could live with a healthy compromise of the kind that Geert Wilders is proposing, but indeed I would prefer that it be outlawed altogether.
I mean why needlessly spend hundreds of billions of dollars annually via those gigantic federal monstrosities, the Department of Homeland Security and the National Intelligence Directorate, which as the Fort Hood Massacre, the Christmas Day Bomber, and the Times Square Bomber all prove doesn’t make us any safer. Outlaw Islam and ban and reverse Muslim immigration altogether since zero Muslims equals zero chance of Islamic terrorist attacks. It is a far cheaper and better solution in the long run and it also forces us to acknowledge Islam’s civilizational jihad against the West. Of course, I don’t advocate those Muslims that practice a reformed Islam compatible with secularism, modernity, other religions, and non-Muslims and that also disavows the jihad ideology (the sixth pillar of Islam) be deported since those Muslims don’t represent an existential threat to the West.
Which makes this argument all the more stupid and pointless, inasmuch as, as David Swindle has acknowledged, there's no real substance gulf between my understanding of Islam and the understanding held by most everyone else at this website.
Yet, because of your extremely politically correct sensibilities you obsessively condemn everyone and anyone who suggests the “eradication” of Islam from the West, and that indicates that your knowledge of what Islam really is at this point is still very lacking. Indeed, according to you Islam is a religion and only a religion. However, according to David Swindle, Geert Wilders, me, and many others, Islam is a political totalitarian ideology far more than it is a religion, and it must be “eradicated” from the West.
Let this affair be a lesson to the rest of NewsReal's writers and commenters:
Yeah right, let this affair be a lesson to the rest of NewsReal's writers and commenters: that you still at this point are extremely naïve with respect to what Islam really is, relative to me, politicians like Geert Wilders, and many of your other fellow writers and commenters who all agree that Islam is a totalitarian political ideology more than it is a religion that must be “eradicated” from the West.
- Again, you prove that "honesty" is nothing more than an empty word to you. I'll admit that you tick me off (simple-minded fools who hold themselves to no ethical standards rub me the wrong way), but I take comfort in the fact that you speak for nobody.
Yeah right, you repeatedly and falsely accuse me of lying about you, but when asked to post or produce the specific lie in question, all of a sudden you can’t, and that’s because the lie exist only in the dark recesses of your mind somewhere and not in my comments. It’s time for you to either put up or shut up. Put your money where your mouth is or admit your mistake, or you prove at the same time that “honesty” is nothing more than an empty word to you.
Not to mention that while you can only falsely accuse me of lying, I have actually already demonstrated that you have lied.
And I love it when people defend themselves from charges of misconduct by pretending not to know what the offense is.
And I love it when people are repeatedly challenged to produce the specific offense in question and then can’t, but at the same time still dishonestly pretend to be offended as if the offense actually occurred.
I stand by everything I wrote. An honest review of what's transpired here will vindicate me. Indeed, you expose your simplistic thinking yet again with the Wilders quote. Aside from his saying Islam isn't a religion (oh wait! I thought you didn't believe that proposition!), it does not say "criminalize the entire religion."
An honest review of everything you wrote indicates a very convoluted understanding of what Islam is and the grave threat it represents to Western civilization and the freedom of the world.
What is occurring is a classic clash of civilizations between Western civilization and Islamic civilization. Western civilization is a very evolved civilization that embraces freedom, modernity, and the unalienable rights of man. Islamic civilization, on the other hand, is antithetical to everything that Western civilization has evolved into being because it embraces Islamic totalitarianism only. Islamic civilization also fully intends to aggressively subsume Western civilization and turn into Islamic civilization via the imposition of Sharia. Hence, the only solution is for Western civilization to unite together to defend itself from the aggression emanating from Islamic civilization, and that is what leaders like Geert Wilders are attempting to do.
Hence, your absurd claims that it is impossible for Islam to ever be “eradicated” in the West are ludicrous, because the process has already begun with brave leaders like Geert Wilders and his fervent opposition to the Islamization of the West. While still in its earliest stages, the anti-Islamization movement will continue to gain strength as people more and more wake up to the Islamic threat.
Nevertheless, in that particular speech, Wilders deliberately stressed that Islam is a totalitarian political ideology instead of a religion to make his point. However, Wilders when not making speeches recognizes that Islam is religion too, but that it is far more a totalitarian political ideology than it is a religion.
In fact, Muhammad preached Islam as a religion for 13 years and in all those years he only attracted about 150 adherents. Then once he was forced out of Mecca and into migrating to Medina, Muhammad turned to politics and jihad, and it was this transformation of Islam from the realm of religion to the realm of politics and jihad that led to Islam’s fantastic success and growth thereafter.
As a matter of fact, the start of the Islamic calendar doesn’t begin until the first day of the Hirja, Muhammad’s migration from Mecca to Medina, because it marks the specific time at which Islam morphed from being a pathetic and dismal failure when it was only a religion to becoming one of the most powerful totalitarian political ideologies in the history of world.
Hence, people like you Calvin, see Islam as being a religion only. However, people like me and many others that have studied Islam in-depth understand full well what it really is, and unless it is “eradicated” from the West it will inevitably subsume the West through demographic conquest.
With respect to criminalizing the entire religion, Wilders proposes banning Islamic immigration and forcing resident Muslims to sign a pledge of loyalty and a pledge of assimilation, which I, of course, fully support, because it represents a healthy compromise. As part of his package of solutions he also advocates deporting those Muslims who stubbornly refuse to assimilate, advocate Sharia, or wage jihad. In addition, he also supports shutting down all Islamic madrassas and stopping the building of any more mosques in the West.
Hence, since Islam and Sharia go hand in hand because Sharia is intrinsic to Islam, in effect Muslims that assimilate don’t have any other choice but to reform, and if they don’t, then of course they will be deported.
- To say I “deliberately lied” is nothing more than an attempt to deflect attention from your own self-evident dishonesty.
Cut the crap Calvin! I never said or insinuated that Islam is not a religion and I challenge you to go through all my many comments and find one single incidence when I did. Hence, while all you can do is only falsely accuse me of lying, I can actually demonstrate that you did.
This is getting to be very boring Calvin.
Your insistence on lying about this flies in the face of all the evidence and proves the worthlessness of your commentary.
Okay Calvin if you are going to falsely accuse me of lying again, then by all means please have the decency to reference or at least post the specific lie in question you allege I made regarding you, and imagined lies don’t count I’m afraid.
Indeed, most rational people with any degree of familiarity with my blogging are probably laughing their heads off when you say such manifestly-false and moronic things as that I have “extremely sensitive political correct sensibilities.”
You have to admit Calvin; I do know how to jerk your chain and get under your skin pretty good.
Regardless of the wisdom of the “eradicate Islam” terminology, to the best of my knowledge nobody on this website has called for the same thing
It’s Time to Put the Coffee Down and Eradicate Islam in the West http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/07/21/it’s…
Calvin, is Islam a Religion or a Political Movement? http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/07/24/calvin-is-…
Lastly, if you can provide evidence of Spencer or other credible authorities clearly and explicitly agreeing with your idiotic, anti-conservative understanding of the Constitution, or with your plan of simply banning Islam nationwide, you are welcome to do so on NRB.
Let me tell you things that we have to do to stop the Islamization of the world. The first thing is to stop cultural relativism. Second, we have to stop pretending that Islam is a religion. Islam is a totalitarian political ideology. Third, we must stop the mass immigration from Islamic countries. In order to preserve our own values, not one person should be allowed to emigrate from a Muslim country to our countries. For people who are already here. If they want to integrate, then…they are welcome and they are equal since we have no hatred for any person. But as soon as they start thinking about Sharia, about Jihad and commit criminal acts, then we tell them, ‘There is the door.’ We have to stop the building of new mosques. No brick should be allowed for one mosque as long as no synagogues or churches are allowed in countries like Saudi Arabia. We have to close down the worst institution in our societies, the fascist institution of Islamic schools. We have to go on the offensive.
Geert Wilders Warning to America Part 1 of 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOCcx5V9RI
Geert Wilders Warning to America Part 2 of 2
He wouldn't define exactly what "banning" Islam would entail, nor did he answer my question about whether or not the First Amendment places any limits on what we can justly do to bring about Islam's "eradication." Instead, he smugly asserted that I don't know what Islam is,
Let’s be totally forthright and honest Calvin, here is how I responded to your silly and asinine post:
First you said:
“Key words being "just" and "also." Simple question: does the First Amendment place ANY limits on what we may justly do to "eradicate" Islam?”
And here is my response:
“The first amendment talks about Congress not making laws to establish religion or making any laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion. However, with respect to Islam, it is not just a religion, it is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal. Therefore, when you take Islam in totality for what it really is, it is very clear that it isn’t protected under the first amendment.
If all Islam is was a religion, then I could agree with you, but since Islam is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination, then it is very clear it isn’t protected under the free exercise clause of the first amendment as I’m sorry but our constitution isn’t a suicide pact like you seem to believe it is.”
Hence Calvin, it is clear you have a very fundamental misunderstanding of what Islam is, which is exactly what I said when you falsely accused me of misrepresenting your view on Islam:
“I'd appreciate it if you not misrepresent my view of Islam, especially considering that you've commented on past writings of my which make perfectly clear that I know what it is.”
And to which I responded:
“Yeah right…I previously commented that you should read a few Robert Spencer books and spend about 2 months at jihadwatch.org on a daily basis because it is very clear that you don’t know what it is.”
Inasmuch as I made perfectly clear where I stand on Islam in each of the very posts OYM commented on, it's hard to see him as much more than a liar or a buffoon.
Yeah right, when it comes to truthfully representing my comments on your blog site and others, and with respect to your understanding of Islam as a religion only, it is you, Calvin, who is clearly the liar and the buffoon.
Oh yeah, Calvin, I hope you aren’t alleging that the tiny excerpt of Spencer’s writing you referenced is totally representative of all of his great body of work, because I can assure you that it’s not. Nevertheless, Spencer is only one of many authorities on the subjects of Islam and the global jihad that I reference. There are, of course, many others. Indeed, I only mentioned Spencer because he is closely associated with FPM and NRB.
Nevertheless, even in what Spencer proposes in that small excerpt of his you referenced doesn’t go far enough:
”If our governments had the courage to stand up and say that any assertion of these political aspects of Islam that are at variance with our existing laws will be considered to be seditious under existing sedition laws, there would be a tremendous amount of progress made on this problem.”
Because again once the Muslims attain majority status they will simply impose Sharia. Hence, even under such restrictions as Spencer proposes above in his small excerpt, it would be analogous to when Obama announced the date for withdrawal from Afghanistan ahead of time. Since the Muslims would just lay low and bide their time until such time as they become the majority. Then, of course, they would use their majority to impose Sharia on the non-Muslim minority.
No, I’m afraid that if we are to stop the stealth and deceptive demographic conquest of the West altogether, Islam in the West must be “eradicated.” Now, I know that because of your extremely sensitive political correct sensibilities you don’t like that word, but nonetheless it is the truth.
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Jonathan Spyer’s view of Islam is still very convoluted, as he still sees it in the view that Islam is the Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of radicals and extremists false paradigm, in which he calls the radicals and extremists Islamists. While he is right that the so-called Israeli-Palestinian Conflict isn’t really a conflict but instead really a jihad and one of many such jihads, both overt and stealth, that altogether make up the greater global jihad at large, everything else about his analyses is still very convoluted. He is also totally oblivious of the stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad, which also feeds his false analyses.
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During the Cold War we didn’t let millions of communists infiltrate the West because that would have been suicidal. Yet, today with the Global Jihad being the unacknowledged Cold War of the 21st century, that is exactly what we are doing. We are letting millions of Muhammadans with no intention of assimilating and integrating infiltrate our countries for the express purpose of waging civilization jihad in the form of demographic conquest. Hence, the solution is not to make government even bigger and more bureaucratic like GWB did, but instead to outlaw Islam and then ban and reverse Islamic immigration with all of its excess baggage, as zero Muhammadans living in the West equals zero probability of Islamic terrorist attacks and zero stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad.
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The only effective way to protect ourselves from the scourge of Islam and its Sharia is to ban and reverse Muhammadan immigration altogether. Those proposing to oppose Sharia are naively proposing a losing battle, as to the vast overwhelming majority of Muhammadans, Sharia is intrinsic to Islam and inseparable, which is demonstrable by the fact that all major Muhammadan organizations in America and also Europe today are arms of the Muslim Brotherhood that all work simultaneously together in coordinated fashion to subvert and sabotage our societies from within for the propagation of Islam and the eventual imposition of Sharia.
In addition, wherever mass Muhammadan immigration has occurred in the West, the vast overwhelming majority of Muhammadan immigrants have refused to assimilate and integrate and have formed instead Muhammadan no-go zones ruled by Sharia as parallel societies within societies. Hence, it couldn’t be more obvious, Muhammadans don’t immigrate to assimilate and integrate. Instead, they immigrate to eventually subjugate and dominate.
Further, those contending that Islam with its immutable texts may be reformed just in the nick of time to save us all are indulging in wishful thinking, as they are making the mistake of viewing Islam as being a religion. While Islam initially started out as being a religion in Mecca for 13 years, subsequent to the Hijra, Muhammad’s migration from Mecca to Medina in 622 CE, Muhammad morphed Islam into something else entirely different altogether from religion when he turned to politics, jihad, and eventually to conquest, and it was this miraculous transformation of Islam from the realm of religion to the realms of politics, jihad, and conquest that enabled Islam to become wildly successful, as a short 100 years after Muhammad’s death, Islam had already conquered most of the known world. Had Islam remained just a religion like it previously was when Muhammad lived in Mecca, it simply would have died in the deserts of Arabia at the death of Muhammad and no one would have ever heard of Islam or Muhammad.
Nevertheless, because of this miraculous transformation from the realm of religion to the realm of jihad, politics, and conquest, Islam today is a militant theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks to subjugate the world via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal, and Islam only masquerades as being a religion to infiltrate and subvert the societies it intends to subjugate and eventually subsume.
Accordingly, all the peaceful verses of the Koran that originate from the time when Islam was just a religion, per the doctrine of abrogation, have all been abrogated, i.e., superseded and replaced, by the latter violent and aggressive verses of the Koran that originate from the time after Muhammad had morphed Islam away from religion.
Hence, Muhammadan immigration to the West with its Sharia that is intrinsic to Islam will have the inevitable result of changing our societies forever. Indeed, for all intents and purposes it already has in the spheres of the freedom of speech, the freedom of expression, personal security, and in the sacrificing of our right to privacy.
Furthermore, in response to the 9/11 terrorist attacks GWB doubled the size of our federal government via the creation of the massive Department of Homeland Security and the National Intelligence Directorate, and this has predictably proven to be ineffective as the Christmas Day Bomber, the Fort Hood Massacre, and the Times Square Bomber have all demonstrated as growing government is never the answer or solution to any problem.
In addition, GWB also launched two terribly misguide fantasy based nation-building missions in the Islamic world that ended up creating and propping up two Sharia states that will inevitably rejoin the Global Jihad as soon as the USA eventually leaves the scene if we don’t end up bankrupt first.
Hence, again we must ban and reverse Muhammadan immigration because zero Muhammadans living in America equals zero probability of Islamic terrorist attacks, and also because in today’s current financial environment we simply cannot afford continuing to attempt to accommodate Muhammadan immigration and all its excess baggage. In other words, we cannot have our cake and eat it to, as Islam will inevitably bankrupt us with its death from a thousand cuts strategy. We need to have a national debate and end the scourge of Islam and its Sharia in America ASAP, or otherwise America will no longer be America.
Indeed, during the Cold War we didn’t allow millions of Communists to immigrate to America, as that would have been suicidal. Yet, with respect to the Global Jihad, which is the Cold War of the 21st century, that is exactly what we are doing and it is insane, as once Islamic immigration reaches critical mass, then for all intents and purpose it will be all over, as no society in history has ever recovered once Islam reached critical mass.
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I had studied Antonio Gramsci for years to understand how the Left has imposed its cultural hegemony in our society. The Right needs to adopt the same tactics of cultural hegemony to serve as a counter weight to the Left or they will lose everything, especially with regard to multiculturalism.
Nothing is more destructive to united homogenous societies than multiculturalism, yet even though thousands of Americans have become the victims of multiculturalism via the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Americans still never question the radical leftwing concept of multiculturalism that is meant to destroy our once unified society from within. Instead we spend hundreds of billions of dollars and double the size of the federal government to protect ourselves from further terrorist attacks and to also continue accommodating Muhammadan immigration and its excess baggage, while at the same time we subject ourselves to ever more draconian security checks, despite any of it making us any safer because none of it addresses the real problems, which again are multiculturalism and Muhammadan immigration and its excess baggage. And never mind the fact that the USA is on the fast track to serfdom, instead of addressing the real problem, multiculturalism and Muhammadan immigration, we continue expanding government and spending even more money and at the same time we continue to accelerate to our final day of reckoning.
In addition, today because of multiculturalism we no longer fight wars to defeat our enemies and create deterrence. Instead, we occupy Muhammadan countries to pursue endless fantasy based nation-building missions that are all rooted in multicultural myths and thus all destined to fail. It's insane!
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One of the main objectives of the global jihad is to bankrupt the West and in that endeavor the jihadists are succeeding beyond their wildest imaginations. Meanwhile, the machinations of terrorists provide more excuses and justification for increased government growth and greater intrusive government control in our lives in order to protect the homeland, and in all of this, the efficacy of multiculturalism is never questioned.
Anyway, the solution to all of this is not more government growth, which has not worked to make us safer and never will. Indeed, it never was, yet since 9/11 the federal government has doubled in size in response to the threat from Islamic terrorism. The solution is to use common sense by dumping multiculturalism and banning and reversing Muhammadan immigration and its excess baggage. Zero Muhammadans in America means zero Islamic terrorists attacks. It's common sense!
It is ludicrous to assume that Muhammadans immigrating to America will assimilate and integrate and become contributing and productive citizens when they have refused to do so everywhere else in the West where mass Muhammadan immigration has already taken place. Yet, despite all of the obvious evidence, no one ever questions the efficacy of multiculturalism or Muhammadan immigration.
Folks we simply can’t afford to do this anymore. We are literally going bankrupt. We need to start demanding from our elected representatives and those seeking to become one that they dump multiculturalism and Muhammadan immigration, while at the same time they slash government spending. Indeed, we need to revert back to the size the federal government was on September 10, 2001, and if we dump multiculturalism and Muhammadan immigration we can.