Why is it When We Post about Ron Paul We Get Anti-Semitic Commenters?
2010 February 9
From a comment on Jeanette Pryor’s post yesterday about Sarah Palin and Rand Paul:
i am guessing that you are and/either/or of the following ….a neo-con, a jew, a zionist……….right?
and you support sustained foreign military action primarily on behalf of israel, right?
well those viewpoints do not serve the best interests of the united states of america and people are finally starting to wake up.
From one of our headline board posts (this one is really bad):
Or we could send the Jews back to the European ghettos they crawled out of before they came and defiled the sacred land of Palestine; the Heart of the Middle East
That comment also linked to a disgusting anti-Semitic site — until I deleted the link.
I have noticed that a lot of his supporters online are also big into conspiracy theories, and believe the Jews control and manipulate the world.
Are you referring to the Yellow cake uranium shipment? Or that Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 terrorist attack? Maybe you were referring to when Mohamed Atta met one of Hussein's top spies in Prague? With supporters like these, he would never become president.
Actually some are, but then some are not. As a Ron Paul type let me tell you a true conspiracy, Monsanto=USDA,FDA
Goldman Sachs=Treasury
Lockheed/Boeing/Raytheon=DoD
Pfizer=CDC
etc.
I agree that some past conspiracy theories have eventually been proven true and we can't discount them all. I was just pointing out that the conspiracy oriented sites seem to have a lot of anti-Semitic posters who are also RP supporters.
Um..don't forget Israel was behind the attack on the Trade Center towers, Amelia Earheart was spying on the Japs, Saddam wasn't really looking for yellow cake in Niger, Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism, etc. Libertarians are wingnuts!
And, as Borat taught us, the Jews killed the dinosaurs.
The Jews don't control the world. I do. Any day now.
Why is it that when anyone discusses foreign policy that isn't in line with Israeli interests it is immediately dismissed as Anti-Semitic?
Because such statements tend to assume that everything America does is done primarily because Israel wants it done, without regard to our own interests, or even that Israel is actually dictating US policy.
Why is it that every time foreign policy is discussed, Israel is not treated as an American democratic friend and ally equivalent to Honduras, Columbia, Check Republics, Japan, Britain etc etc but as a blood-thirsty Zionist nation ruling the world?
how many wars do we fight on behalf of honduras, chech republics, japan, or britian?
We don't fight wars on Israel's behalf, either.
How do you know? One thing is for sure we don't mind killing Muslims for oil.
"How do you know?"
Because I can read and think.
"One thing is for sure we don't mind killing Muslims for oil."
Yet another rational, informed Ron Paul supporter…..
Muslims don't mind killing Buddhists, African Christians and Animists or young women in Europe for no reason at all.
Oh they have a reason. The Koran tells them to.
They kill because of Israeli occupation. They kill because our sanctions took out a million Iraqis during Clinton's tenure. They thumb their noses at us for Operation Ajax. Give me a break guys. It is pretty obvious why they fight us.
"They kill because our sanctions took out a million Iraqis during Clinton's tenure."
So now it's our fault that Saddam preferred to scam the UN's Oil-for-Food program rather than feed his own people. Awesome.
Israel's occupation of what ? ISRAEL ?
Anyone who says that Israel is occupying the Palestinians land is either ignorant or a liar. There's no such place as Palestine, & there never has been. Likewise, there's no such thing as a Palestinian.
Read the history and you'll learn the truth.
Muslims kill Africans in Darfur because of Palestine? Why did they kill them prior to the creation of Israel then?
So true, my backyard is just full of oil….polar bears, too…… :: ))
The HELL you say!!!
we will never drill here drill now because OPEC is the 4th largest holder of U.S. debt
Well shit-for-brains, reason it out, if we were killing Muslims (not terrorists of course) for oil, our gas would be going for around 50 cents a gallon. All it takes to be a friggen Libertarian is to engage in hysterical hyperbole and ignorance. Leftists and Libertarians are two peas in a pod. Screw 'em both!!!
I agree with Ben….we are doing the same thing we accuse them of…..why not be the example we want to see….yet be vigilant at home when it comes to ANYONE coming here
The U.S. has never fought a war on behalf of Israel. But it did fight one on behalf of England. It was called WW2. Japan Attacted us. Germany did not. We declared war on both.
Japan attacked us and then declared war on us. Then, Nazi Germany, which was allied with Japan, also declared war on us.
No dimwit, we declared war on Japan and Germany then declared war on us. Are you a stupid Leftist or a stupid Libertarian??
A Strategy for Israel 1980
These Horowitz types are just playing an AIPAC game with you. Ron Paul types are not anti-semitic, rather they are pro-American.
Then why did so many Ron Paul supporters post on Stormfront?
http://www.red-alerts.com/un-american-activities/...
What is stormfront? Like I said Ron Paul types are from all stripes, but we all believe in personal and fiscal responsibility and liberty, etc.
I'm sure you're unfamiliar with Stormfront.
Actually I am not familiar with stormfront except for what I see on the Weather Channel.
Your lying, but I'll play along. It's the web's largest White Power site and it was lousy with Paulnuttery during the elections.
So again, if White Nationalists are basically racist commies why do they like Paul unless Paul says something they like? And it can't be on economics because they are anti-Capitalists. So that leaves…
Again I don't associate with such types. I am sure this was a very small percentage of the Paul followers. I supported him in NM, and I saw nothing of the sort. What I did see at the convention was over 60 rank and file republicans with a very diverse mixture of young Paul supporters. I am sure in every group we can find some unsavory characters.
typical response….small (like 3% Ron Paul supporters hailed from that group)….doesn't mean ALL or even most of his supporters were….so what? a majority of Barack Obamas supporters were ex black panthers and far left domestic terrorists and somehow he was electable
I think Ron Paul types are really pro-stupid!
Agreed, and the only thing Ron Paul really is for is Ron Paul.
that because you are too dumb to understand the concept of individual sovereignty….you need the government to do things for you….you are weak….but then again most Americans are showing themselves to be weak AND complacent or at least easily swayed by what talking heads on the T.V. tell them as fact….so called facts from the television are ALWAYS biased no matter what side they are on…..gotta play it safe for corporations that pay their bills…..don't want to shake up the system too much..
I like how these guys aren't even trying to make sense any more.
Because Douglas Feith and Richard Perle (both high ranking officials in the Israeli government – now in US government), are making policy for the USA and making a killing off of treating the American people like suckers and bringing us a bogus war on the boogieman who lives on $2 a day. Start looking into the government and see who has ties to israel. Then tell me if the facts are antisemitic.
Well, your screen name is awfully fishy….
Has anyone noticed any aid from Muslim oil producing nations going to Haiti?
FreeSpeech-
When you look at the 2 comments above, you actually see legitimate critics of our foreign policy and NOT blatant anti-semitism???
How foolish of me. When I read someone posting…"Or we could send the Jews back to the European ghettos they crawled out of…", I have a tendency to detect a whiff of it.
you said the 2 comments above and referenced the 2nd. what about the 1st?
if putting american interests ahead of all others is anti-semetic, then sign me up
How are those Palestinian ghettos working out?
Pretty good for Islamists, not so good for the Palestinian Christians who are being massacred by your friends.
What Arab Christians? They were ethnically cleansed from Syria, Jordan and now Lebanon. The Christians of Egypt are brutally oppressed.
The only country in the Middle East that has INCREASED its Christian numbers is: Israel; which takes in Christian refugees from the West Bank, Ethiopia, Darfur, etc.
Israel is the only country friendly to Christians in the Middle East and North Africa.
Keep spinning your nonsense. What you say might be true with regards to Christian percentages in the various countries over there, but it does not address the adverse effects of American foreign policy in the region and the hatred it stirs up. This goes for Israel as well. We are going bankrupt and the parity of weaponry is increasing in the Middle East and around the world. I do not want the hatred to be aimed at America. It might be too late though because we have been jerking them around for over 60 years.
How is caring about Islamist genocides against various people nonsense?
If you cared so much you would know that our Iraq intervention has created 2 million Christian refugees.
Which I have been on record as saying we should take in. But of course Baathism (Islamic National Socialism) wasn't much better for them was it?
I won't argue with this except to take issue with the last sentence. The Baath party actually protected the Christians. It wasn't until we got involved that they left the country. The situation is much like Syria where the governance protects minority communities in their midst.
Something to keep in mind in this regard is that long before 9/11 or the War on Terror, a Christian was murdered somewhere in the world every 6 minutes. For no better reason than that they were Christian.
You're problem is that you're stuck on stupid. The Islamists want to rule the world. Being cowardly only emboldens them. They are close to owning europe/eurabia already. It's cowardice like yours that says, if we throw Israel under the bus maybe they won't come for us. You a-holes should go to some uninhabited island and form your own Colony of Anarchism.
They also take in Arabs/muslims
There are no Palestinians.
What you see is simply Arabs abusing other Arabs.
Are you implying Ron Paul, or his supporters generally are anti-Semetic?
Of course it is safe to do so in the form of a question, as not to directly stereo-type a very vast group who primarily share common-ground on constitutionality, and non-interventionism.
Maybe I am just lucky but while supporting the ideals of Ron Paul, but in I have not have not had direct contact with anyone who preaches anti-Jewish rhetoric, or believes in discriminating because of belief.
I have witnessed the label "anti-Semite" being used on those who believe we should stop sending billions of US tax dollars to Israel, even though they would extend same logic to any other sovereign nation and has nothing to do with the Jewish faith.
Anyway, peace, shalom, freedom for all!
I don't think Ron Paul hates Jews, but I do think his hyperbolic rhetoric and his regular abuse of the facts do attract a motley collection of the seedy and paranoid, which doesn't seem to bother him. But hey, donations are donations, right?
We are not paranoid, trust me. Most of us realize that the government is out of control and sending this country down the tubes for a number of reasons. Ron Paul does not abuse facts. Instead he spews truth. The truth is pretty obvious if you open your eyes.
Trust the guy who says "we don't mind killing Muslims for oil." Yeah, right.
We don't mind it. We have been propping up cruel regimes to acquire it. We have applied sanctions to coerce it. We have bombed them to steal it. After all, it is our oil that God just happened to put under their sand. The Carter Doctrine attest to the fact that it our oil essentially.
Sheesh – your entire worldview is based on so many false yet mutually-reinforcing facts and distortions that I honestly don't know how to untangle the mess.
No actually I am quite astute on history. Please enlighten me to where I am wrong. Sheesh.
Clearly, you aren't. Or current events.
Well that clears up things. Nice job. You got to admit it would be boring for you guys if everybody agreed with you.
What you are is a paranoid anarchist!
Hi Calvin, hope and pray your day is going well for you. I was curious if you can be diamond sharp specific on exact quotes and instances where Ron Paul abused the facts or preached revisionist history. I would much appreciate a detailed set of instances, and not some cynical remark characteristic of a politician. It is suggested in your responses that you back up your arguments with factual data; to be be cogitated within the brains of intellectually savvy people.. Non substansive slurs and remarks will not be graded as acceptable. Pleas do not include the merely making angled play(s) on emmotion. One other question; what part of the Constitution seems so scary to you? With Kind Regards..
Search NewsReal's archives for Ron Paul. I and others have written about these specifics in the past. Read 'em, and then come back and prove to me you're more objective than any of the other Ron Paul fans who have been shown the facts and decided they don't care.
Paul's campaign did take money from White nationalists and refuse to give it back as I remember. Some of his local workers were also known Stromfront members. I would point out that while Paul may not be a Jew hater, Jew haters do seem to embrace Paul. Why do you think that is?
And he said, why should I give money back to a group I don't support. I will gladly take their money and put it towards a worthwhile purpose.
If all hate groups had no money, they'd be less effective. RP was helping out!
Why? Because it's the right thing to do. My dad is a state legislator, and regularly returns contributions from groups/individuals he disagrees with.
Then, we wouldn't be having this discussion about a candidate accepting money from loser like these.
Glad that the nationalists no longer had the money to spew their nonsense. By the way the money Goldman Sachs gave to Obama is far more dangerous. The money Bush took from Halliburton is far more dangerous. Certainly in hindsight this is a credible statement.
No it's a distraction. White nationalists, who promote socialist economic policies, support Paul. I ask you why you change the subject. I'll answer for you then, it's because Paul, who may or may not be a bigot, allows himself to be used as a spokesmen for anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering and he does this for profit.
Ya Paul went all around the country saying that minorities suck. You guys are a piece of work. I am much more worried about Obama being bought by Goldman Sachs and the havoc folks like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd have facilitated through their support of certain GSEs.
Ron Paul might not hate the Jews but he pursues the same foreign policies as those who do. People who hate the Jews want Israel to be destroyed and for anti-Semites to be empowered. Paul's foreign policies, if implemented, would do both of those things. Thus he's the anti-Semites' favorite candidate.
It preaches open dialog and trade betwwen any nations. But when your actions hinder/impede/hold down another citizen(s) liberty; the Law will stomp you out like a cigarette but. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of individual happiness; without encroachment onto the rights of others…Follow he founding fathers wisdom, and good times for more people prevail. History has shown that. Ron Paul does not see a person as a Jew,Muslim,Christian, Buddhist, Taoists, Gay, etcc. Ron Paul sees all these people as individiuals that under the Constitution have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Someday Read Ho Chi Minh's Decleration of Independence. You will be quite suprised at the similar American "Draft languange in our own. The Racals say:
All the world over, so easy to see
People everywhere just wanna be free
I can't understand it, so simple to me
People everywhere just got to be free
Let me ask you this then–did you know that Egypt for example, gets nearly as much ($2.9 billion), as Israel does (about $3.1 billion) in foreign aid. However Israel provides a lot of value in return incl. collaboration wit the U.S. in fighting Islamic radicalism, security, weapons, technology, and shares and promulates Western democratic values.
Egypt while perhaps moderate compared to some of the wild Islamc theocracies in the region, nonetheless provides almost nothing back to the U.S. in value, unless you count the ultraradical jihad promoting Islamic Brotherhood.
Yet I have personally never read 1 word of criticism about Egypt's foreign aid on this site, which seems to focus heavily on only that given to Israel. Why would that be, pray tell?
Because Libertarians or Republican Libertarian Caucus are nothing more than fiscally conservative Democrats.
Not correct, unless you mean on the social side of things. A libertarian is someone who is against all, or the majority, of state intervention in people's lives, and many interpretations inbetween A fiscally conservative Democrat, on the other hand, is still a statist, someone who believes that the power of government is the solution of all of life's problems but believes that you should balance the books when you do it.
Paul attracts those who believe religion should be left out of the political debate. This includes haters from other religions and non believers. Paul attracts advocates of personal freedom, thus he attracts those on the fringe wishing to be left alone. Paul attracts some of us who appreciate a free market advocate that rejects government sponsored monopolies and oligarchs.
As a Paul supporter there is no doubt in my mind there are those among us who have poor intentions and/or motives. Thats life !
Now, on the other hand – Is it the argument of those who associate Paul with radicals that there own group of like minded thinkers is pure, free from those who have poor motives and intentions ?
I ask – Is AIPAC pure ?
Is there any merit to the concept, as Paul stated in the debates, we should treat Israel in a more adult fashion. Allow her to decide things without our approval, intervention and support ?
It appears to me the bigotry is on the side that rejects honest debate for fear and hate
Bravo!
Paul attracts White Nationalists, who in fact advocate Socialist economics (for Whites) so explain his appeal to them.
His message of freedom and liberty attracts all types. Everything from honorable to scum.
But Nationalists are anti-freedom and free market. They are not libertarian so explain the part of Paul's message that resonates with people who want a socialized economy.
They want the government to leave them alone I suppose. That is something that also resonates with me. Again Paul supporters are from all stripes. Again there are always bad seeds in every movement, but what Paul preaches is in the best interest of the country. He did not spew white nationalist nonsense.
But mostly scum.
No offense, VN Vet, but you need to get yourself an education.
"Treat Israel ina more adult fashion..allow her to decide things without our approval…" What exactly does that mean? Israel is a sovereign country, the only democracy in the Middle East, and as such has an elected governent which actually makes decisions for Israel and in Israel's interests–think U.S. Congress.
In a neighborhood where most of its neighbors are committed to obliterating her (and western Judeo-Christian culture) , Israel does what it needs to in order to survive–no other country would be expected to do less. When they are held to standards applied to no other countries incl. those we support (Pakistan, some African countries, Turkey, the Palestinians, etc. one can only suspect other motives..
I for one got to state very clearly I have had enough of Jew haters, and haters in general, Israel is our cousin in Liberty just like the Brits, far as I'm concerned, you mess with either your messing with the USofA.
The Israelis got their act together, look at those guys, they are surrounded by haters bent on exterminating them, they don't take any crap from the psychopathic nations that have it out for them, God Bless em for sticking up for themselves and giving better than they get. They all got more grace and goodwill, generosity and concern for the world than the whole middle east, and most of Europe put together.
Up the arses of any who want to tell me different.
Now I see. Israel is "Sugar and spice,and everything that's nice." While the rest of the world are,"Frogs and snails, and puppy-dogs' tails.'
Pretty much…..
Israeli apartheid must be wonderful.
It's better than Islamist apartheid. Like in Darfur, southern Thailand, and all the other places where those Muslims you love so much are murdering Christians, Animists and every other religion.
There are Arab Muslims in the Kismet,but no Jews in power in Muslim countries. Why do you think that is?
Who in their right minds would want to live with people dedicated to their desire to kill them.
There is no apartheid. Israel occupies no land that's not their own.
Which side are you talking about?
"Israel occupies no land that's not their own." I believe this is why peace will never happen. 1948 was a bad year.
You'd be much more qualified to comment on things if you actually knew the history them, but obviously that's not a concern of yours.
Your comments are completely asinine, and reflect the acceptance of all the revisionist history about Israel that you've been swallowing…
Putz !
Please elaborate where I am wrong.
Everything you say about Israel is wrong.
The facts about the formation of Israel, and her interaction with the Arabs since 1948 are 180 degrees opposite to what you believe to be true.
Do your own homework… I'm not in the business of education stupid or bigoted people like you.
And btw, when and if you read up on the subject, try to avoid doing your research on any websites hosted by Al Jazeera or the KKK.
Hey Swenson, who threw the first "terroist bombs" at the King David Hotel? This is only your land by history? If yes, then to avoid living in a life of hypocrypsy I suggest you will trasfer title over your present home to a Native American whose ancesters held the area you live in. Then as I do the same and head back to Ireland you can return to Rothschilds Blvd in Tel Aviv and advise us of who held that land 200 years ago.
"The facts about the formation of Israel, and her interaction with the Arabs since 1948 are 180 degrees opposite to what you believe to be true." Actually you got the degree amount wrong. It should be 360. Again you fail to point out any fallacies in my arguments.
So… how's libertarian paradise a.k.a. Somalia working out? Anarchy, you know – libertarianism in action.
Israel "apartheid"? This slander reveals either extreme ignorance or extreme bigotry. Israel is in fact the only nation in the midEast which allows other religions (incl. now about 20% Muslim Arabs) to live and practice openly. On a recent Christian mission there, I saw Arabs selling t-shirts featuring slogans to "free Palestine" complete with an Islamic flag!
Compare that with any of the brutal intolerant Islamic theocracies all around them–e.g. the "Islamic Republic of Iran", where practicing anything other than Islam is punishable by death. Do you think Jews or Christians are allowed to openly live and practice in such places?
So how in the world do you justify the ridiculous accusation about "Israel apartheid"?
Bravo!
Look anytime you take a position there are going to be undesirables that latch on to it. For example, if you are strongly PRO-Israel you will get those who are racist against Palestinians or even those who believe in the end times eschatology involving Israel. Here is a must read case-in-point of those who comment on Little Green Footballs which a more hawkish War on Terror blog http://www.drmenlo.com/lgfquiz/
Once you've read the appalling comments on LGF would it be fair to mirror your question: Why is it when Little Green Footballs posts about the Middle East do they get Anti-Muslim bigot commenters?
Do we now consider those who support the War on Terror racist anti-Muslim bigots? No but see how this type of "logic" mirrors the left in attempting to smear one's political position by charges of racism.
Any politician who takes a non-interventionist position will undoubtedly attract anti-Semites because Israel has no stronger friend in the middle east than the United States. Even this blog makes "pro-Israel" a litmus test for support.
We here make "pro-Israel's SURVIVAL" a litmus test, and we aren't about to apologize for it. But I challenge you to find anybody here who advocates that our national interests should take a backseat to Israel's.
As long as Israel expands the settlements, our support for them should cease. I do not support Israel's cruelty. I support their right to exist, but as long as they expand their holdings at the expense of the Palestinians, Osama and his ilk should fight them and those that support Israel. If someone did it here, I would grab my AR and fight, that is assuming it was unprovoked.
Acting in one's own self defense is not cruelty.
Then I guess the so-called Islamic terrorists are justified in what they do.
Right… they're acting in self defense against all of those who oppress them….
How can you be so totally obtuse ?
The people you're standing up for have been terrorizing the entire civilized world for over 1,000 years. They are a plague to all rational men of good will. They've been attacking Israel almost since the day it was formed.
There are roughly 1.5 billion Jew hating Arabs who want to destroy Israel and kill the 12 to 14 million Jews on this plane. And you think the Jews are the aggressors ?
Does the term dain brammage mean anything to you?
"The people you're standing up for have been terrorizing the entire civilized world for over 1,000 years. They are a plague to all rational men of good will."
Thanks for making my point for me. If you don't understand what you've just said just replace "people" with "Jews". Should I now ask why Newsreal attracts anti-Muslim bigoted comments?
Because NewsReal appeals to rational people.
We attract very few anti-Muslim bigoted comments.
For once I agree with you David. LongLiveJefferson has some things backwards. The Jews have been on the recieving end not the other way around, except for the last 60 years of course.
I'll be honest here. I happen to like Jewish people. Many of them have made great contributions to this country and the world. And most Jews and Israelis in particular,seem to care about this country. I haven't seen too many Muslims condemning any terrorist attacks on this country or anywhere else for that matter. If they want respect,they're going to have to earn that respect and stop blaming everyone else for their problems.
I agree with this although I do believe some Jews like the financial suicide terrorist Lloyd Blankfein who stated that he was doing God's work have caused us immense pain. I actually have several Jewish friends, two of which served in the IDF before immigrating to America. I support Ron Paul and I like Jews but I also like the Palestinians.
You like the Palestinians ?
Ignoring for the moment that there are no "Palestinians", what on earth do you like about them ?
They make great food and they are people just like anybody else. They just exist in a terrible situation where their homeland has been taken and is shrinking yearly.
There have never been a group of people known as Palestinians prior to the formation of the state of Israel.
The settlers of Israel never TOOK anyone's land.
Read the history and you'll learn the truth..
The Palestinians were nomadic people living in the area. It does not matter to me that there was no nation state. These people lived on that land and then were forced out. I support Israel's right to exist. I do not support what they are doing in the West Bank.
You are truely conflicted. You like Jews, but you also like the Palestinians whose only mission in life, taught to them as children, is to kill Jews and wipe Israel off the map. Judging by your previous statements above, I think you really love just Palestinians and are now in a sorta CYA mode..
What part of the Palestinian culture do you like? Is it the kidnapping and rape of Christian Palestinian girls? Or was it their fact that they were imported into Iran to rape and kill pro-freedom demonstrators by the Iranian regime?
Or is it the thousands of rockets they launch into Israel? Or is it the murder of Egyptian security forces? Or is it the forced marriages, inbreeding and persecution of moderate Muslims? Please tell me what you like about the Palestinians?
If you weren't a bigot you'd not have to trot out the "I'm friends with Jews" canard. I doubt you are and regardless if you have to defend a position you take by claiming you have "Jewish friends" how can you complain whne people think that position is antisemitic?
Actually I admire how many of the Palestinians do not strike out at Israel when Israel kicks them out of their East Jerusalem houses. I have no love for the Iranian thocracy, but remember the US set this up with Operation Ajax. Mossadeq was for free market reforms. To damn funny.
Israel deserves the rockets given ther collective punishments, searches and seizures, settlement expansions, water diversions, West Bank demarcation, etc. I would raise serious hell if someone was trying those things in the USA.
"forced marriages, inbreeding" Sounds like West Virginia. I am against these things, but what they choose to do is their business.
I do have a few Jewish friends. They actually blame both sides for the conflict. Both were in the IDF and conducted search and seizures.
So Israeli civilians deserve rocket attacks, i.e. Jews are getting what's coming to them ergo you are an anti-Semite if you think killing random Jews is acceptable,
It is as acceptable as Jews killing Palestinians. In the last bout of nonsense the scorecard was something like 10 Jews, 1000 Palestinians. It is the Golden Rule in my book. If some country comes to the USA locked me in a fenced area, makes me go through a checkpoint to get to my farm, etc. I will fire rockets at them maybe even something a bit more effective.
For crying out loud, even Hamas ADMITS that they use civilians, including women and children, as human shields. It has been proven time and time again that they use hospitals and ambulances to store weapons and deliver terrorists.
Israel is as careful as is humanly possible under those circumstances. Their blood is on Hamas' hands, not Israel's.
"I'll be honest here. I happen to like Jewish people."
How magnanimous of you… You say that as if you're concerned that others might hate you for saying it.
Just stating something that you wouldn't expect. In addition I must state that I am being honest so that you might actually believe me. From previous posts, it appears that you do not so my honest characterization of myself didn't make too much of a difference.
Why not blame the Jews? After all, they are blamed for everything. Always have been.
Just like it's Bush's Fault. He was blamed for everything. Katrina, the Tsunami, sun spots. Dumb people, some anti-semitic, not all. But while one can lose weight, one cannot improve intelligence.
Antisemitism is easy to understand. The explanation:
http://www.american.com/archive/2009/july/capital...
thanks for the refreshingly honest post. As a devout Christian, I too admire the courage, democracy, and inclusiveness of Israeli society, all in a very tough neighborhood of countries which possess none of the above attractive characteristics.
How does pointing out the fact that anti-semites seem to love Paul translate into an attack on him? The enemy of my enemey is my friend. Does that ring a bell? Perhaps some of the Paul supporters are really Hamas supporters who see the isolationist Paul as a means to an end? Don't be so hasty as to attack your allies when in fact, you as a patriot, may be defending your enemy out of spite.
At one time Israel supported Hamas. They practically taught them to fight and armed them. Again, Paul supporters most likely reject the idea of giving foreign aid and policing the world, etc. This has nothing to do with a hate for Israel. It has to do with wanting America to survive financially and not be the target of justifiable retribution.
So, if you don't go looking for trouble, trouble will not find you? I think Frodo Baggins would disagree. Who cares that Israel armed/equipped Hamas. We did the same thing to the Taliban. My point was blood is thicker than water. Don't be such a Paul zealot that you isolate other conservatives. Be careful. If Nancy Pelosi supported Paul would you defend her because of that single commonality? No way Jose'.
Pelosi should be on the receiving end of a Hellfire strike for her junket to Copenhagen. I loathe that woman. Look as long as Israel expands these settlements, further demarcates the West Bank, diverts even more of the Jordan away from the Arabs to their green grass swimming pool-laden settlements, then Israel gets no love from me.
Hmmm, how dare anyone speak ill of our mideastern "friends"; we have the great American citizens Ben-ami Kadish and Jonathan Pollard spying and stealing our defense secrets; the US military can't use their airspace or bases; and what about the slaughter of our boys on the USS Liberty. SEE the website http://www.gtr5.com/
But this is all anti-semitic proaganda after all…..That is why after Jimmy Carter wrote his book he was not allowed to speak at the Democratic convention
And of course don't take it from an American perspective; what did Ariel Sharon state to Shimon Peres on the radio????
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will
do that… I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry
about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control
America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol
Yisrael radio.
Let me get this straight. You're going to blame a couple of bad apples and then say they're representative of Israel. That's just dumb. Again,most American Jews care about America. So do most Israelis. They're fighting attempts to wipe them off the face of the earth. And then,how long would it be before those who hate Israel turned around and tried to destroy us,if they aren't doing so already. You must be a big hit at neo-Nazi meetings,pal. You would have fit right in at Auchwitz just fine.
Ben,
Point made right above me. This guy is blaming Jews as a whole for the things done by these individuals. I suppose the Rosenbergs were acting as "Jewz" also, not as Soviets? The Liberty incident alone does not justify an argument against the support of Israel. Also, this gem:
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will
do that… I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry
about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control
America, and the Americans know it."
I assume the Bilderbergs are also involved? Seriously…
There is no legitimate evidence for Sharon's comment that I can find except on antisemitic sites that parrot each other. I'm sure that Liberty incident was deliberate, Israel wanted to alienate its good friend America.
I guess if America catches a Catholic spy we should bomb Rome? Or a Mormon spy, maybe we should decline federal funding for Utah? Why do you have a problem with a couple of Jewish spies who didn't sell anything to America's enemy?
WE, THE PEOPLE, are JEWS too!, not just one of, but one of MANY people. And Jews vote for and support candidates who agree with us. That is the nature of the American political system. You have a problem with it? Or are you not really one of We, The People?
Why are people like you harping on 1 mistake for which Israel profusely apologized, many years ago, when thousands of Americans have been murdered in the meantime by Islamic fanatic killers, e.g. 9/11, bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, several U.S. embassies in Africa, etc., etc., to say nothing of all the other thousands of innocent civilians killed worldwide by crazed Islamic jihadists?
Your obsessive way out of proportion tunnel vision about what Israel without mentioning all the positives we get back from collaborating with them in areas of security, technology, etc. speaks volumes about your underlying bigoted agenda.
They don't laugh anymore because he was so prescient with regards to the economy and monetary policy. We still have some work to do changing people's philosophies on foreign policy, but it is happening. Unfortunately it is mainly a consequence of the nation going broke and not because of morality or conscience. Interestingly, I work in a hawkish place, and even there some people are coming up to me admitting Ron Paul was correct on overseas affairs.
If you don't put the interest of Israel ahead of the United States Horowitz and his gang will call you anti-semitic.
Unlike you who put Islamists interest before American interest?
I do?? I have never written one word about Muslims on this blog.
But elsewhere…
Point to me where I've ever said anything favorable about Islamists. Just not true. What I'm sick of is these people that parade around calling everyone anti-semitic that doesn't think Israel is the 51st state. In truth Israel is not even that good of friend.
Y'know what *I'm* sick of? People falsely accusing us of tailoring our entire foreign policy to suit Israel's desires, then turning around and puffing their chests out at how shocked, shocked they are that anybody might get the impression that some of 'em have a problem with Jews.
"our entire foreign policy to suit Israel's desires" In a way you are right Calvin. It is about the flow of oil. If support for Israel is conducive to keep the supply flowing, we will continue to do the things we are doing regardless of whether it is moral or not.
*sigh* No, it's not about the oil, either. It's about bad men who want to make bad weapons, sometimes to do bad things with them themselves, other times to give them to other bad people who want to do bad things to us with them. Why is that so hard for you all to grasp?
And the evidence for what you say is?
maybe any time somebody disagrees with an action isreal or the jewish community– someone screams anti-semitism–old hat, worn-out does not sell after ben stein
But the comments the post is actually about are antisemitic no? Or are you saying it's wrong to claim that a commenter calling someone a Jew as an insult or explanation of their policies is not rank bigotry?
Disagrees isn't the point–it's critizing Israel for doing things any other country would do in similar circumstances, surrounding by 150 million Islamic arabs bent on their destruction.
When Israel is held to standards (think Gaza incursion) no other country has ever been held to again one has to wonder about the true motives of those critics.
I think there is a lot going on in this world that we as Americans don't get the full skinny on, so its hard for me to decide if there is any innocent (government) party. I do know that I'm a Ron Paul supporter and that I have no issue against innocent Israelis or Palestinians. Corrupt governments, however, should all burn in a fiery hell ( or perhaps just removed from office…whichever is closer to justice).
"I think there is a lot going on in this world that we as Americans don't get the full skinny on"
You are a Ron Paul sycophant waiting to be recruited. You want the full skinny? Read Howard Zinn's, 'A People's History of the United States'. LOL! I would want to KNOW, rather than THINK, there are things going on that we don't ge the full skinny on. And I would sure want to know if the truthsayer was qualified to truthsay.
Those who put faith in their interpretation of "Labels" are easily manipulated and led to conclusion.
INDIVIDUAL Action and Event are the only measure.
To Assume Benevolence Is Foolish.
Debate Is The Distillation Of Reality.
Vague Slogans are the Surest Way to Sound Intelligent by Saying Nothing
Very nice.
Because Ron Paul supporters are mostly Democrats who got kicked out.
No internal filter, you see.
It's slogan tactics, that's all. The use of the bigot term is planted on all candidates. Why do you think the Dems picked Senator Obama. It gave them an instent retort id you disagreed with him. Hillary was second choice with feminists waiting in the wings.
In Obama's case, the Dems don't know what to say when the Blacks speak out against him. You see, there really isn't any real bigotry in American anymore, just those who need to gain fame bringing it up. That's all. Their slogan, trademark, main character, protagonist, etc.
The truth is anti-semitic.
The wars are for Israel. Thats fact.
How does that work, exactly? Does Netanyahu pick up the phone and say, "hey, Dubya, I could really use a couple Muslim countries whacked right about now; think you can spare a couple hundred thousand troops?"
BUSH: "Sure! Let me just make up a pretext, bring it to the American people and the hostile opposition party, and risk not only my reelection, but my entire reputation for generations to come! Next week sound good?"
NETANYAHU: "Sweet! See ya then!"
Meanwhile, on Earth……
I think Bushy wanted to get Saddam for trying to kill his dad. Plus there is some oil to be had.
The captured documents in Baghdad, that were for awhile posted on the internet seemed to support Saddam's complicity with both al Qaeda and bin Laden. And there is no doubt about his terror training, murder of a couple of million of his own people and Kurds, etc., and the money he was putting forward for the families of muslim terrorists who killed Jews. Oh, and his defiance of the 16 UN resolutions. There have been many Iraqi's who have testified to Saddam's complicity as well as his methods of hiding his WMD program, especially his nuclear program. A couple have written books in this regard.
Yeah it had nothing with to do with his history of using chemical and biological WMDs on Iranians and marsh Arabs in his country. It had nothing to do with dozens of violations of the UN cease fire. This was all Bush.
And remember when Bush made Clinton impose sanctions on Saddam? And when Bush forced Al Gore to say we should invade Iraq just before the 2000 election? Oh that damn Bush, he's worse then the JOOOOOOS
So, a foreign leader trying to kill a past president is no longer sufficient to consider that leader a threat to the US?
Maybe "fact" to you bonjour, in your twisted Weltanschauung (look it up), but many others understand that Israel is the only reliable American ally in the region, its only democracy, and those who would destroy it want just as much to destroy all of Western Judeo-Christian civilization.
Perhaps you missed little details of history, like 9/11
Good day Ghostwriter, Since you can't seemingly get it straight let me straighten you out loud and clear. I hold no animosity towards Jewish or Israeli people. My problem is the GOVERNMENT here and the GOVERNMENT of Israel. Kadish and Pollard were spying for the GOVERNMENT of Israel (they are not bad apple "individuals" as you say); they were not SPYING for JEWISH PEOPLE (unless you can enlighten me??). Let me re-iterate it for you since you cannot get it straight. THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL continues spying on its "Friend". THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL or the JEWISH PEOPLE are not being blamed. GOT IT??????? Can you imagine if these spies were Iranian? THIS WOULD STAY IN THE HEADLINES AND CAUSE A WAR.. But what is your reply? You go on tear; calling me a Nazi; I would have done well at Aushwitz, etc. My great Uncle died at Omaha beach fighting to FREE the world of Nazi's and deathcamps. So I hope you enjoy eating your crow. You and your ilk can just continue to avoid the facts; and cry the old slogans that this blog questions. Long live a "free" Israel and long live free peoples of Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc.
Do Muslims proclaim the same thing? Do they say long live all these religions?
What does your uncle's service have to do with you? That gives you no crediblity at all. Makes you look silly calling it in. To inflate in your mind to the heights that you do the supposed seriousness of the two people caught spying for Israel is to put you in the Ron Paul category of conspiricist wingnut. Wth the danger that Israel faces from the Islamists, they no doubt want to know something of what we are thinking. I have no doubt that we have our own spies in Israel. As well as other places in the world. We had better. I know the commies have their spies all over the place. Call me conspiratorial, he he, but I'm pretty sure they have commie spies in our CIA and our State Department. And of course, with the Obumba Administration, in the White House. Well, in the White House they're not so…under cover. They're more in your face and openly pushing the agenda.
I served my country in the first "conflict" we lost; I too an a VN vet. We packed and ran and it sucked. Coming home I was called "Baby killer" and spit on. But we were not allowed to just go WIN IT. Cannnot Invade to cross the borders that they did and hit the big stashes. .So it felt more just and honorable to talk about my Uncle who fought in a legal, just, contstitutionally delcared war. Whose side are you on? These Israel's stole very sensitive secrets. If a muslim did this; a neocon like you would be calling for war. This isn' t the "Jewish" People doing this; it is a GOVERNMENT trying to play an angle on our "Goverment" (the joke its present state isin). That Governments with ambition of power and wealth will always play any angle to achieve an end is a lesson learned.
The point is whatever "spying" Pollard was doing was to get technology informartion to be used in their need for constant defense against their hate-filled Islamofascist neighbors, not against the U.S. That's quite different than say the Russian spies recently "outed" and treated much more gently, although one would be hard pressed to say they are the good friends and allies of the U.S. that Israel is and demonstrates in every way possible.
Get it?
Just as I clearly stated I have no animosity towards "Jewish People"; I have no animosity towards "Iranian People" or "Iraqi People" Ron Paul is dead on right; sanctions against the "people" living under an evil regime does nothing but help to move the people to unify with their evil leaders; as they can be brainwashed that they are being "persecuted". Punishing the "people" of Israel or the "people" of Palestine or the "people" of Iran with a "collective them" mindset only promotes war. When innocent Jews or Palestinians or Iraqis are killed, hate festers and grow. And racists or zealots can further the "hate" turning the "thou" that another person truly is into a subhuman "it" which should be hated and killed.
That's right, turn the other cheek. They don't really want to hurt us. Maybe they'll be satified with just taking the 'little satan' down.
Turn the other cheek? No way. Just take a poke at me and my life liberty and pursut of happiness. See what kind of Korean Marine ridghand you receive back. Perhaps tell me your Unit and you MOS in VN and I could perhaps see a way of accepting your critiscim.
Those poor Mujadeen you speak of would have been obliterated and Afghanistan would have been a communist satellite, with no way of helping bring down the Iron Curtain, had not Reagan supported them. That some of these mujadeen would become anti-American terrorists 25 years later couldn't be forecast and is irrelevant. Foreign Policy has to be formulated in real time to address current conditions, and without the benefit of circumstances we can't possibly know. Not that we would change things if we did. The present situation, the Soviet invasion, had to be dealt with. So now you're feeling sorry for those poor rag assed bunch of mountain boys, with no Air Force, no Navy, waah. In actuality most afghani's are fighting with the UN forces (the U.S.) against the Taliban and al Qaeda terrorists, many if not most of whom aren't Afghanis at all. History seems to be discombobulated in your ancient mind.
I fell into the dark abyss in VN as an 11B30 in the 9th. I was into the sucess of the hunt in body count but always considered if the roles were reversed back home. Now its Waziristan Afghanistan. No Air Force, No Navy; just a rag asssed bunch of mountain boys that want to be left alone. These mujadeen worked to our advantage to bring down the "Wall" in Germany. So how could you ; unless you had no lessons learned in fighting a deeply willed insurgency in Vietnam take this position. The American soldier can take the order "KIll them all" but the American Civilian cannot tolerate it. We were lied to with the Gulf of Tonkin. We went home and got spit on. If we leave the Mideast and stop handing over mountains of moeny (and we are broke financially now with needs at home) watch how fast "enemies" change position to do what you want. If VN put the hook in you like it did in me then u should know of the Chinese invasions in the mid-1970's. They came in; Kicked ass; went home; and turned off the checkbook. Then They got their way..The pen is mightier than the sword.
What I know is it's right to fight communism anywhere anytime. Do I care what pretense got us into Viet Nam? Hell no. Whether the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a fraud or not I could care less, as long as we went there. We had a committment to go there and we were also invited to go there. Further, after TET 68, a resounding defeat for the NVA and the VC, the War was basically won. The VC were so decimated that they weren't a viable fighting force for two years after. What pulled defeat from the jaws of victory was the pro-communists in the U.S., which inlcluded the democ-rat party and the dem media. They agitated for a U.S. defeat, just the same as they agitated now in the terror war for the a U.S. defeat. These are the people you glorify as not being able to tolerate it. These were not the ordinary American citizen. 'The normal American citizen supported the war for nearly 10 years before the constant drumbeat and false reporting of the war took its toll. And it wasn't the normal American citizen who spat on us when we returned either.
It was these scum. If you are suspect of my boni fides as a VN Vet, then imagine how, after your post above, just how skeptical I am of yours.
The Viet Nam war was a de facto war with Red China and the Soviet Union. Just a hot episode of the greater Cold War. We did prevail, and South Viet Nam was free in 1973 with the Paris Peace Accords, but democ-rat treachery allowed the North to violate those Accords and invade the South successfully two years later. And with that, the people of South Viet Nam were denied the freedom, civil rights, economy, and religious freedom that the South Koreans, for example, have been able to enjoy all these years.
Um…how is "Kicking ass" less mighty than the pen in this instance?? When the Chicoms made these invasions, did they have to also fight an antagonistic press and democ-rat party/congress at home?? Did they have an advantage in logistics?? Did they worry about civilian casualties?? NO, they just went and kicked ass. You don't think we could have done that if we were ruthless? We could have bombed North Viet Nam back to the stone age…well except they were pretty much there already, at least where their citizenry was concerned. Like the Soviets and the North Koreans, all their wealth was tied up in their arsenal.
" If we leave the Mideast and stop handing over mountains of moeny …………. watch how fast "enemies" change position to do what you want."
That statement of yours is suicidally naive.
Well if my posts seem disjointed and all out of order, it's because of the fucking format of this forum that causes you to break your post up into little bittzy pieces. You'll have to figure out the order. Then to make it doubly difficult, right in the middle of it all you get a post that "had to be approved by the administration".. Well there was nothing there that had to be approved. It's like when you make a post and you get the "your posting too fast, slow down", even though you haven't posted for 10 or 20 minutes. I said I was going to leave a few days ago because of this and now im a gonna. Screw this stupidness!!! If brevity is what you want, I leave it to people who have little to say and less to back it up with.
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Hehe – way to prove a point. Mention Ron Paul and the creepy crawlies start coming out of the wood work. Now I know that most Ron Paul supporters are perfectly respectable, but a surprising number of them seem to have one thing on the brain: them pesky Jews! They control the banks! They control foreign policy! They control the voices in my head! Egad! Oh no! – it's International Jewry!
Seriously guys, go read some non-conspiratorial history: the reasons for the US support for Israel are various and multifaceted. A cursory glance will show you that Israel has always had many non-Jewish supporters. I know it's satisfying to imagine that they're all religious kooks, but they're not now and never have been.
There are serious arguments to be made on both sides of the support for Israel question, but the old "International Jewry" accusation isn't one them; it's been made before and the stench of it isn't any better now than it was when Stalin and Hitler used it.
Almost all the 911 terrorists were Saudi; yet they are another great mideastern "friend" to the USA. We send millions to the Saudi Government (and Ghostwriter let me say it again) and NOTHING GOES TO THE SAUDI COMMON PEOPLE unless they be terrorists. We had Bin Laden dead to rights in Dec 2001; see the 60 minutes video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmtPBTybQ9k&fe... Learn to see how GOVERNMENTS manipulate their people into hatred using "terror and fear". Those who give up essential liberty for security will have nor deserve neither as it was wisely said.
But I thought you said if we just be nice to them, they'll be nice back, re: Saudis. If you believe what you see on 60 minutes then you must be a leftist instead of a Libertarian, well except both ideologies are prone to conspiracy. However, it's my understanding that Klinton had 3 chances to get bin Laden. And Sandy Burg(l)er, of the Klinton administration has atested to one of them.
"Those who give up essential liberty for security will have nor deserve neither as it was wisely said.
It's a paraphrase of something that Ben Franklin said. But you would have us capitulate to our enemies rather than fight them. Rolling over for their enemies is a european thing. The ONLY reason that the Islamists want to kill us is because we exist. We are the hated infidel. As is Israel. Libertarians are Neville Chamberlain on steroids.
Hey Vn Vet first attempt is be nice and test repsonse back, as in winning hearts and minds. But if the response is a knife I say deploy 105's and smoke them all back ton the stone age with a BIG STICK. But step one is to avoid making enemies. Why use the mujadeen against Russia, coach them that they want no foreign occupiers, then go in ourselve?. Perhaps you can elighten us with a historic Muslim attack to counquer a Western established Chirstian country from 1776 to 1993?. Why have the OSS train Gen Vo Nguyen Giap and Ho Chi Minh to rout out occupation forces from Japan and then fill the same void ourself? Either your country posseses the stregnth to "Kill them all" or it is best served to avoid imperial entanglements. VN came begging on their knees to trade with us. But when I tried to ram that ideology down their throat with a '16 it was not well received. Yet time passes and now the Red Chinese are giving us Capitialistic economic lessons. I don't want to roll over and capitulate; just want to pull the $$$$ and let them eat sand and drink oil.
Freedom brings people together. Ron Paul will ALWAYS have supporters which he don't agree with. Ron Pauls Authentic Liberty principals draws people of all kinds. The MEDIA will pick and choose some crazies, and then label them as all Ron Paul supporters.
Wake up people. Stop letting the media dilute Ron Pauls honest honorable American message. He really is trying to save our Country.
I know, let's base an entire post on offensive comments and try to use it against those we don't like – painting everyone with a huge brush. It's fun.
This is one of the stupidest posts on a blog I've ever seen. Comments on a post have much in common with what you read on bathroom stalls – or just look at youtube comments on a video about any subject. – Folks are anonymous – and can post whatever they wish. What's to stop a neo-con from posting anti-semitic comments to make their enemies look bad. – You have to admit, that there would be a temptation–it's a common tactic used on all sides.
For those curious, here are Ron Paul's thoughts on Just War theory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dyyd4rcuZc
Great clip.
"Comments on a post have much in common with what you read on bathroom stalls "
For a good time call a Paulnut.
The reason so many conservatives are puzzled and/or offended by Paul is that it is apparent that he thinks we can think and act like a minor power existing in the 19th century. If this were the 19th century, I would support his policies, but it's not, and I seriously doubt the founding fathers would have advocated such a course. They lived in the era before the age of great ideologies: communism, fascism, Islamism — all of which have been explicitly devoted to the destruction of our way of life. The idea that we, as the world's foremost voice and power behind the idea of liberty should stand by while our friends and like-minded allies are overrun would have struck them as pernicious and cowardly.
Conservative were always puzzled that liberals were so limp-wristed in the face of a Kruschev banging his shoe on a podium and proclaiming that he would bury us; likewise conservatives scratch their heads when they see paleo-conservatives act so wimpy in the face of Islamic threats and attacks.
On top of this, anyone who has visited a paleo-conservative web site and reads the viewer comments will quickly notice that 10-20% of the comments are anti-semitic to one degree or another; and more troubling is that is no apparent censure of these losers: the other readers are (apparently) OK with this. Conservatives find this more than a little creepy.
Buckley made conservatism popular by casting the conspiracy theorists and creeps into the outer darkness. Now they are trying to crawl back in, and they seem to be finding a home amongst Paul's followers and places like Commentary magazine.
Wow–taking the "Jewish conspiracy" theories to dizzying new heights–not only do they control the media, the banks, and the laundromats, they're also the ones writing the anti-Semitic stuff here!! Those noe-cons (code for Jews) are everywhere you look!(or don't)!
Just Google "Why Orthodox Jews are opposed to a Zionist State". Very interesting and should clear up all the misconceptions.
I doubt it will clear up any misconceptions; yes, there are orthodox Jews who oppose the existence of Israel, but they are a small minority of the orthodox, and their objections are almost entirely theological and have nothing to do with the political debate as current leftists and conservatives know it.
You can find a lot of Americans who hate America and (apparently) wish the Indians had slaughtered all the white settlers. If you live abroad and read only internet articles you might be able to convince yourself that this represented a majority American opinion.
Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, Patrick Bucanan, et al, are anarchists and wingnuts. They are the true right-wing. At the Constitutional Convention in 1787 there were two political parties vying for their views for that document. The Federalists (conservatives) and Anti-federalists (libertarians). After much debate, the Federalists won out and we got a Constitution of 'Limited Government' rather than one of little or no government. Yes, the republican party is left of the Constitution somewhat right now, but conservatives aren't. Libertarians are so far right they've made themselves irrelevant as a viable alternative. And that's not even taking into account their predisposition to be conspiratorial, anti-religion, pro-pothead, isolationist and other nutty things.
How is it nuts to end the ban on pot and regulate it? Take pot off the hands of thugs like we did when we ended the prohibition and took alcohol off the hands of the mafia, regulating and taxing it.
And alcoholism is less of a problem today?? As Bill Bennet said: with all the heartache and misery alcohol has caused, why would we want to exacerbate the problem by legalizing illicit drugs.
I disagree. The Repulbican Party of late; namely the Bush's spoke of "now we can look forward to a new world order" and civi Secretary of Defense's that put us in long contracted wars. And none of these are legally decalred wars by Congress; which are required to obey the Constitution. Remember how great it was to hear VN Vet's Scwartzkopf and Colin Powell go to a map and say "This is their amy; first we are going to cut it off then we are going to KILL it. " 28 days later with few casualtie that generation of soldiers came home as heros, the war over and were not spit on. Americal felt very proud and United. Then look at Bush 2 and Rumsfeld. Instead of puttng multiple divisions down at Tora Boar to KILL BIN LADEN and the heart of Al Qaeda we turn down Delta Forces plan to surrond and KILL him. They leave Afghanis in charge that open the back door to Pakistan. We could have came home champions again but we left the boogie man out there…
Please be careful——
Blanket statments make your thread look unprofessional…. uneducated, and simply anti- american where it is a free country to subscribe to what ever beliefs we choose (religious or conspiracy)– so long as they do not cause harm to others (Please also do not confuse HARM with HURT FEELINGS)
ALSO>….. do not confuse.. ANTI- JEWISH SYMPATHIES- with ANTI-SEMITISM.
I think its time that The Nation of Jerusalem fended for themselves and became a “grown up” dealing with grown up problems and making decisions on their own— instead of allowing American Influence to portray a proverbial Master with a RABBID ATTACK DOG on a Collar…… or a Proverbial CHild that cannot think for themselves or deal with the reprocutions of their political decisions…
Let the Proverbial Beast with a loud bark loose….. The WAR trained resilient people of Jerusalem will either proove they are GODS chosen through triumph…. or fall to the forces of evil because they did not have enough faith— OR (in reality) they will learn that Killing is not the answer and that diplomacy is a far more paletable means to solving problems.(as america has learned through its involvements in WAR)
If you hinder a Country from makeing their own decisions…… you belittle them and make them dependant on you…. No country should be dependant on our alliance– That within it self becomes a LIABILITY—-(Especially for AMERICA)
A lessoned that GEORGE BUSH JR learned all to well, yet could not speak the murmor for fear of being called anti semetic..
Example ” Arriel Sharon: to G”W”B Jr.— Your Father was head of the CIA and responsible through CIA efforts when SADAM was brought to POWER– now, SADAM is monetarily (along with Saudi princes) supporting the suicide bomings being committed against my people..
Take out SADAM , who is AMERICA’s and YOUR FATHERS responsibility for being in power and turning on you (as well as us)— OR you can send your military to back us up when the 3rd world war comes knocking on our door after we NUKE HIM…
Loose millions of SOldiers in an all out 3rd world war conflict? or a couple thousand in topling SADAM out of power with a Unilatteral military operation..
BUSH MADE the right decision for AMERICANS… the wrong decision for the NATION of JERUSALEM to grow as a People that are responsible for their own actions.
PEACE
Amazing knowledge of personal conversations between 2 heads of state! Or maybe just a very distorted world view. Fact of the matter is that the U.S.' closeness with Israel provides many benefits to both countries which explains the relationshp–not some other sinister set of motives. Israel is the midEast's only democracy, the U.S.' only reliable ally, and provides enormously valuable information to the U.S. on security, technology, and is fighting an enemy which seeks to destroy us as much as them.
That's the part which seems lost on some the worst or stupidest of the RP types.
The second quote is a comment after the article, "Al-Reuters Runs Anti-Israel Propaganda (Again)". The comment is a response to, "Actually, Israel has every right, under international law, to annex Judea and Samaria, as well as Gaza and the Sinai over endless treaty violations, then boot everyone back to Jordan and Egypt, where they came from. International law is not your friend if you hate Israel, so I would advise you not to invoke it. Also, it's $30 billion. Not sure from which orifice you pulled that $100 billion number. ", which is a response to, "If any other country violates international law we in the U.S. push for sanctions. If Israel violates international law, we give them more free aid (over 100 billion) more U.N. security resolutions blocked, and more security agreements. Israel is in more violations of international law than Iraq or Iran. The separation barrier that runs into occupied West Bank is illegal. Settlements are illegal. Both stipulated in the ICJ ruling in 2004. And Israel officials are wanted for war crimes! You see how corrupt our politicians are, and it is killing our global image." Notice the lack of any mention of Ron Paul.
Another anti-Sem cuckoo–essentially all treaty violations in the Middle east in the last 30 yrs. have been done by the Arabs, who have violated every single agreement they ever signed. About 20% of Israelis are Arabs–none have been "booted back to Jordan and Egypt" (which by the way doesn't accept Arab refugees the way Israel takes in Jews who have been "booted" from many Arab lands.
Israel scrupulously follows international law–the Arabs routinely ignore it with their relentless terrorist attacks on Israeli and american civilians.
The "separation barrier" Israel built was to stop these murderers from killing more Israelis. What other country would do less? The U.S., which is erecting separation barriers to keep Mexicans out, who don't commit any of the murders the Palestinians do?
Other than that, your comments really make sense,..
Demanding that Israel stop building cities for Jews on Palestinian land and obey International Law and Human Rights for once in 43 years is antisemitic??? You Zionist parasites are ridiculous! Hopefully Israel will be gone soon and then the world can SERIOUSLY give peace a chance. Israel is a nuisance and a terror state so far as I am concerned. Free the USA and Palestine from the Zionist monsters.
Free the U.S. from stupid hateful bigots like you–Israel is the U.S. best and most loyal ally, provides enormous benefit to the Uthe u.s. in collaboration on security, weapons, terrorism, technology, etc.–and is fighting courageously the same enemy–radical Islam-which also seeks to destroy America.
What planet are you living on?
A Strategy For Israel 1980 — Rothschild Suez Canal 1870 — Rothschild Jewish Colonies Palestine 1882 — Here are a few important dates you should look up. If you get the chance watch – CRIMINAL STATE – ISRAEL
Wish I could say here that I am a Jewish Ron Paul supporter but the best I can muster is that I harbor no suspicion of Jews. I do, however, advocate an end to all US foreign aid, including that given to Israel.
Is there some reason I have seen RP supporters mention foreign aid to Israel about a thousand times, yet not once have I heard a word about the almost equal amount sent to Egypt, which provides none of the benefits our relationship with Israel does except exporting and teaching Islamic hatred?
I find it amusing that people could suspect Ron Paul of Antisemitism given that his two favorite economists, Murray Rothbard and Ludwig Von Mises, were Jewish. Also, how could you call him anti-Israel when he is the only member of either the US House or Senate who has fiercely advocated the defunding of Israel's enemies.
I'm a Jew and also a Ron Paul supporter, I can assure you most are not anti-Semitic but there is a small faction of fringe who I would say are not the brightest of our movement who are bent on believing every conspiracy theory and stupid far fetched story that gets created. I think the confusion lies with how the movement views Israel. It's based on the founders and their view on entangling alliances. The US gets in a lot of trouble in the name of spreading "Democracy" which is ironic since we are a Republic. The belief is that we should be friends with Israel but not fight their battles. The fringe group I spoke of takes sides with the Muslim community which wants to wipe out Israel and the Jews. Not what Dr Paul advocates at all. But you will have a certain percentage of complete idiots in every movement.
It's frankly pretty amazing. I wonder how they do it. They light up some kind of anti-semite signal in the sky?
1.) Ron Paul should not be in the picture. His views are always consistent, foreign aid should come from the private sector and not the public sector, period.
2.) Regarding SOME of his supporters – It's absolutely ridiculous that Americans cannot even discuss our unconditional blind support for Israel without the anti-semite card being used. They have a right to discuss the costs and benefits of this relationship. It affects all Americans deeply and can no longer remain taboo. The only reason that people like David Horowitz use the AS card is because they know that most Americans, once fully informed, will come to the conclusion that this "special relationship" is doing Americans (and Israelis) a lot more harm than good.
Scroll down to What Does Israel give Back? – well, it's hardly blind support. It consists of commercial activity that surpasses all of Europe combined and military security cooperation that is of national security concerns. Israel is America's single reliable ally, and so it has been since its founding. Israel spends and reinvests more in America than America in Israel.
http://pressing4truth.blogspot.com/2009/06/what-d...
A "lot more harm than good"? In my time in the U.S. military, I spoke with many who had served in the Middle east, including a couple of generals. They universally supported Israel, and the U.S.' support for Israel, in that it provides great value in the collaboration over security, terrorism, weapons development, and shared Western democratic values.
Not sure which Americans you mean, but nearly all the educated ones I know understand the practical and helpful nature of the strong U.S.-Israel ties–to both countries.
Go to Youtube and look at the Ron Paul comments…If you make one pointed comment that anyone of the loyal Paulistainian clones consider negative, the Anti-Semitic comments seem to fly from these punks.
Ron Paul is a douchebag
Peope who are Anti-Jewish and Anti-Israel are always Anti-Semitic because I say so
—Adolf Paul
The main reason would be that Ron Paul is a border line antisemite if not a full blown one. He and his cronies including his massive supporter Alex Jones aren't known for their "love" of Israel or the Jews. Consequently it would be logical to assume that many of his supporters have views similar to his.
If his son Rand gets elected we'll have a Ron copy in the Senate.
"The US gets in a lot of trouble in the name of spreading "Democracy"
I take this to mean that Ron Paul supporters consider 'neo-con' supporter President Reagan to be the most hideous of 'neo-cons'?
Where do the Ron Paul supporters think the 'neo-cons' come from, George W Bush?
They think "neo-con" is synonym (for those who know what a synonym is) for Jew.
Neocons play the Anti-Semite card like the Liberals play the race card. It's all the same.
The only difference between Obama and Bush is the level of intervention. Socially, economically and most foreign policy they are the same.
Ron Paul, in my estimation, is libertarian in about the same sense as John McCain is republican. I so agree with him that we should bring the boys home. WWII has been over 60 some years. I think if we are spending money in Iraq to build democracy then we should surely spend money to back up Israel. Besides the IDF girls with automatic weapons on the beach are too great to let slip away to save a few bucks.
The only reason why this site and Horowitz constantly attack Ron Paul is because he would stop sending billions of US$ to Isreal and every other country.
What is it about this site, Horowitz and the funding of Israel?
Isreal has no right to enjoy the fruits of my hard earned labour.
Your site continues to constantly post lies just like the lies which you site from Left-wing communist radicals. You yourself are following Alinsky's model of propaganda lies and more damned lies. You are no longer legitimate in my eyes.
It is perfectly consistent to support Israel and oppose US intervention in the Middle East. This is a position on foreign policy, and not an attack on any class of persons. I wish we would focus on this issue – everything else is just noice.
Ya we were dumb enough to think sanctions hurt the governance. It is our own stupidity.
Soooo……if even economic sanctions are too harsh a tool for America to use against her enemies, then what *would* be an acceptable way to deal with a dictatorship actively pursuing nuclear weapons?
So far we are the only ones that have used them. Given our and Israel's constant threats against Iran, you can't blame them for expediting their acquisition of such devices.
Sanctions never really work except to punish the innocent ones. A better approach would be diplomacy mixed with a semblance of humility. One of the reasons for a renewed approach is the fact that America is headed over an economic cliff. Trust me nothing has been fixed.
how about guard our borders, send anti ballistic submarines in their waters and show them that we did, save trillions of dollars by showing our military might at home, save the money we spend on foreign military bases on guarding our airports and water and shipping ports and land borders making them more efficient and more effective then they currently are (remember Xmas? looks like our being in those countries is preventing anyone from coming over here), then dare them to do something….this is what Ron Paul was TRYING to imply….not that we do NOTHING….then again the final industry this country has left is the military industrial complex….so it might be worse for the economy if we did that….MORONS or should i say MORANS……
These are generally tribal issues. As long as they don't aim their violence towards me or my country, let them do whatever they want.
Funny how the murders in Darfur are done with weapons that Israel sold to China, huh?
"Given our and Israel's constant threats against Iran, you can't blame them for expediting their acquisition of such devices."
Thank you for proving my every suspicion about your entire cult: it's always America's fault, and our enemies always have good reasons for what they do.
It is more clear than ever that the Right cannot tolerate Ron Paul, because if we were to adopt his foreign policy, innocent Americans would die. Period.
It's getting very hard to distinguish between the friggen Leftards and the Libertariantards.
So Arab Muslim "tribes" travel to Africa at the behest of o the Muslims "tribes" to kill Christians and Animists and sell Black Africans into slavery in Arab countries? Thanks for explaining that one.
But as our own history proves, Islamic slavers will eventually turn their attention to us, or do you not know the history of the "Barbary Pirates"
Sure they have good reason. We also have good reason to have them. It is called deterrence. The threats towards China really changed tone once they acquired nukes.
"It is more clear than ever that the Right cannot tolerate Ron Paul, because if we were to adopt his foreign policy, innocent Americans would die." What a bunch of nonsensical propaganda. You Horowitz types are a piece of work.
More AMericans could die without his (RP) non interventionist POLICIES….
Go ahead— ask me how—
I will spin your argument into the Dirt young man.
Peace
If they turn there attention towards us unwarranted, we can blow them to smitherenes. The same argument can be made that relatives of Iraqis that have died in the latest undeclared war can nuke us if they choose to. We nuked Japan for their unprovoked offensive. Turn about is fair play. I hope our intelligence agencies stop such an attack, but there will come a time when one gets through and the attack will be justified, certainly from the other sides prospective. The key is to defuse the hate that we have created, but that will be easier said than done.
you neo-cons are always bringing that one up….we had a war with Korea also, yet we don't mess with them…
Israel was palestine….if it was so important to the jews before 1945 then they shouldn't have gone to Europe
That's not my job…
Besides you're already predisposed to disagree with anything I say, so it would be a waste of time…
On the other hand if you read the facts on your own, there's an outside possibility that they may sink into your obviously challenged brain.
What he's saying is that the history of the "Palestinans" goes back only slightly further than the black holiday KWANZAA.
The Jews habitation of "that" land goes back to Biblical times. And in the same vein, the injuns weren't indiginous to the U.S. they came from Asia across the land mass now known as the Bering Strait and down the 'Old Game Trail. Besides, they didn't have a bill of sale. For better understanding about how cultures advance through history, read Thomas Sowell's, 'Conquests and Cultures'.
The Irgun reacted to the horrid way that the British were treating the Jews, and they told the British they were going to destroy their HQ there. Prior to the explosion they phoned in warnings to the hotel, the British staff, the local newspaper, and even warned the French embassy there… They told them to evacuate, and they ignored the warnings.
When was the last time you heard of the Muslims warning the people in advance.
BTW: The Irgun, a small & poorly equipped group of Jews who were sick and tired of getting crapped on by everyone for centuries, attacked a vastly more powerful and well organized MILITARY target. Your so called Palestinian freedom fighters intentionally try to target innocent civilians…
So who's the real terrorist here ?
The people you're defending have been terrorizing the civilized world for over 1,000 years… Or perhaps defending those disgusting barbarians isn't what's motivating you and your fellow clowns to spout the lies you keep repeating about Israel.
The Jews represent only 0.2% of the world's population, and yet they've received 165 of the 750 or so Nobel Prices ever awarded, whereas the Arabs, who represent 20% of the world's population received a total of 6, 2 of which were BS Jokes just like Obama's.
(Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, a member of the Nobel Committee, resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel "Peace Prize" to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a "terrorist."
Umm… they were kind of expelled by the Romans, and dispersed to the four corners of the globe. Then came the Muslims. Not exactly easy to get back there.