Comments on: Unable to Bear the Company of Women http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:10:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ellen http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-112764 Ellen Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:37:40 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-112764 I once read an article on Arab societies in which a Moslem man admitted that any disagreement on any issue in a family (whether it be utterly trivial or very signifcant) is simply not tolerated and is cause for violent response against the "offender." Such restrictiveness is a result, I believe, of the primal rule in sexually violent families, "Thou shall not object to anything that is done to you or attempt to defend yourself against it." Some years ago, I read "The Closed Circle" by David Pryce-Jones and was particularly sickened by the chapter on relationships between men and women. I finished the book feeling utterly depressed because I saw no possibility for resolution of the problems facing Israel and the West with regard to the Islamic perspective and aggression. Unfortunately,Mr. Glazov, your article does not make me feel any better. However, I thank you for informing your many readers what they are up against and that idealistic political solutions and sanctimonious posturing by Western political and religious leaders is about as useful as a paintball gun against a steel pipe or a butcher knife. I once read an article on Arab societies in which a Moslem man admitted that any disagreement on any issue in a family (whether it be utterly trivial or very signifcant) is simply not tolerated and is cause for violent response against the "offender." Such restrictiveness is a result, I believe, of the primal rule in sexually violent families, "Thou shall not object to anything that is done to you or attempt to defend yourself against it."
Some years ago, I read "The Closed Circle" by David Pryce-Jones and was particularly sickened by the chapter on relationships between men and women. I finished the book feeling utterly depressed because I saw no possibility for resolution of the problems facing Israel and the West with regard to the Islamic perspective and aggression.
Unfortunately,Mr. Glazov, your article does not make me feel any better. However, I thank you for informing your many readers what they are up against and that idealistic political solutions and sanctimonious posturing by Western political and religious leaders is about as useful as a paintball gun against a steel pipe or a butcher knife.

]]> By: Ellen http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-112761 Ellen Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:33:50 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-112761 It isn't just that the Jews broke out of their victim role to become "masculinized" as you say, though. Centuries ago, punishments meted out to Jews in Arab lands for minute infractions of a strict social code, Jews who were fully ensconsed in the dhimmi role, were just as violent, barbaric and humiliating. It is rather, I believe, that Arab/Moslem society like any other macro or micro totalitarian society (such as a violent and dysfunctional family) always assigns a particular group of "others" or even an individual as the cause of the problems that perpetuate the violent behavior to begin with. These societies are always socially and educationally isolated and highly bound by stifling rules of all sorts -- not just the segregation of the sexes. The segregation of the sexes, as you point out, though, is extremely important and completely prevents any type of healthy role modeling by either mothers or fathers. (continued in next comment) It isn't just that the Jews broke out of their victim role to become "masculinized" as you say, though.
Centuries ago, punishments meted out to Jews in Arab lands for minute infractions of a strict social code, Jews who were fully ensconsed in the dhimmi role, were just as violent, barbaric and humiliating. It is rather, I believe, that Arab/Moslem society like any other macro or micro totalitarian society (such as a violent and dysfunctional family) always assigns a particular group of "others" or even an individual as the cause of the problems that perpetuate the violent behavior to begin with. These societies are always socially and educationally isolated and highly bound by stifling rules of all sorts — not just the segregation of the sexes. The segregation of the sexes, as you point out, though, is extremely important and completely prevents any type of healthy role modeling by either mothers or fathers.
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]]> By: Ellen http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-112759 Ellen Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:31:19 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-112759 It is mind boggling, sickening, and truly outrageous that feminists, and "liberal" psychologists ignore this aspect of jihadi culture and instead focus only on either "political" motivation such as support for Israel, lack of a Palestinian homeland, high unemployment of Moslems in Europe or some other nonsense to explain away the incessant and explicit cries and yearning for blood and butchery by (mostly young) Moslem males towards those who they perceive have humiliated them. When they cannot express or even admit their rage at their childhood aggressors, such rage gets directed to those in the larger world they perceive and are taught to believe have humiliated them. (continued in next comment) It is mind boggling, sickening, and truly outrageous that feminists, and "liberal" psychologists ignore this aspect of jihadi culture and instead focus only on either "political" motivation such as support for Israel, lack of a Palestinian homeland, high unemployment of Moslems in Europe or some other nonsense to explain away the incessant and explicit cries and yearning for blood and butchery by (mostly young) Moslem males towards those who they perceive have humiliated them. When they cannot express or even admit their rage at their childhood aggressors, such rage gets directed to those in the larger world they perceive and are taught to believe have humiliated them.
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]]> By: Ellen http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-112756 Ellen Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:24:56 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-112756 I just reread (I read it when it first appeared) your excellent article, "Boys of the Taliban". An outstanding analysis of what prompts the rage underneath the suicide bomber, it is both enlightening and horribly depressing. I did extensive research in college on the subject of the sexual abuse of children in our own society and its results. I have no doubt, unfortunately, that until the internal family culture of Arabs and Moslems changes radically, not much change is going to occur in the political arena. As one subject in my research said to me, "If the sexual abuse of children did not exist, this entire world would be completely different." (continued in next comment.) I just reread (I read it when it first appeared) your excellent article, "Boys of the Taliban". An outstanding analysis of what prompts the rage underneath the suicide bomber, it is both enlightening and horribly depressing. I did extensive research in college on the subject of the sexual abuse of children in our own society and its results. I have no doubt, unfortunately, that until the internal family culture of Arabs and Moslems changes radically, not much change is going to occur in the political arena. As one subject in my research said to me, "If the sexual abuse of children did not exist, this entire world would be completely different." (continued in next comment.)

]]> By: Leon http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-46508 Leon Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:02:34 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-46508 Islam has been around since the 7th century and has in the past been a major threat to the west. It was indeed spread by the sword and was defeated on more than one occasion by God intervening on the part of Christian Europe against the Muslims. It has some good teachings and practices in it, which came from Christianity. Other things such as those discussed here came from who knows where. Many Muslims try to lead good lives because God writes the natural law in their hearts but certainly some of Islam's teachings make it difficult. Only Christianity has the correct understanding of the relationship between men and women and the fullness of Divine revelation in general. That's why so many Muslims convert to Christianty when they discover its teachings and power to transform us humans. Islam has been around since the 7th century and has in the past been a major threat to the west. It was indeed spread by the sword and was defeated on more than one occasion by God intervening on the part of Christian Europe against the Muslims. It has some good teachings and practices in it, which came from Christianity. Other things such as those discussed here came from who knows where. Many Muslims try to lead good lives because God writes the natural law in their hearts but certainly some of Islam's teachings make it difficult. Only Christianity has the correct understanding of the relationship between men and women and the fullness of Divine revelation in general. That's why so many Muslims convert to Christianty when they discover its teachings and power to transform us humans.

]]> By: Len Powder http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-46456 Len Powder Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:51:17 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-46456 He would love being in the company of women if he could own them, like Mohammed owned his wives and concubines. In Islam if you can't own them or subjugate them they become a major nuisance and threat to the Islamic male ego. There is a price for misogyny and that price is mental health and sanity. The jihadists never realize that by subscribing to Islam they doom themselves to mental and emotional anguish. Maybe that's why they are so eager to be killed and to escaped their self-inflicted torment. He would love being in the company of women if he could own them, like Mohammed owned his wives and concubines. In Islam if you can't own them or subjugate them they become a major nuisance and threat to the Islamic male ego. There is a price for misogyny and that price is mental health and sanity. The jihadists never realize that by subscribing to Islam they doom themselves to mental and emotional anguish. Maybe that's why they are so eager to be killed and to escaped their self-inflicted torment.

]]> By: Peachey http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-46333 Peachey Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:31:00 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-46333 The classes offered by a family of ex-Muslims at my church discusses the "traveling wives" in Islam. Most are not aware of this integrated part of Islamic practice even today. It is openly taught in the mosques and from father to son as part of the male "rituals" that separates and demonizes females and offers a recourse to males for sexual gratification that is wholely embraced by strict Islam. Young boys are purchased, kidnapped or taken from the murdered families and placed into a position of being a male dancer/entertainer/boy Friday/house boy/sexual companion to the owner and his friends. It is an open and celebrated practice within the strict Islamic Taliban and other forms of strict Islam practiced around the world. This practice has been around as long as Islam and has flourished in the face of the demonization of women and the actions taken to separate men and women. In Afganistan,Sudan,Saudi Arabia,and other strict Islamic practicing areas have a thriving business in the slavery of young boys. The classes offered by a family of ex-Muslims at my church discusses the "traveling wives" in Islam. Most are not aware of this integrated part of Islamic practice even today. It is openly taught in the mosques and from father to son as part of the male "rituals" that separates and demonizes females and offers a recourse to males for sexual gratification that is wholely embraced by strict Islam. Young boys are purchased, kidnapped or taken from the murdered families and placed into a position of being a male dancer/entertainer/boy Friday/house boy/sexual companion to the owner and his friends. It is an open and celebrated practice within the strict Islamic Taliban and other forms of strict Islam practiced around the world. This practice has been around as long as Islam and has flourished in the face of the demonization of women and the actions taken to separate men and women. In Afganistan,Sudan,Saudi Arabia,and other strict Islamic practicing areas have a thriving business in the slavery of young boys.

]]> By: JosephWiess http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-46285 JosephWiess Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:43:38 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-46285 Like I've been saying, Islam is a cult. You have the same behaviors, the same hangups, and the same cures. If you are in a cult that treats a woman like a slave, you'll behave that way. It goes back to the Quran which sets it in stone. Women don't have any individuality, other than that of the honor of the man that controls them. See, it is a cult. Like I've been saying, Islam is a cult. You have the same behaviors, the same hangups, and the same cures. If you are in a cult that treats a woman like a slave, you'll behave that way. It goes back to the Quran which sets it in stone. Women don't have any individuality, other than that of the honor of the man that controls them.

See, it is a cult.

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]]> By: Cas Balicki http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-46193 Cas Balicki Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:08:06 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-46193 Tangentially, this may also be the reason why Arab countries are so cheap when it comes to emergency or disaster relief. The problem today is that Islam and this part of the world is no longer wholly tribal, as modernity, if it is anything, it is urban. Trying to superimpose a tribal culture in an urban environment is folly, yet this is the position contemporary Islam finds itself in. Add to this the honour-shame nature of Islamic culture and what you get is the ongoing disaster of modern Islam. Tangentially, this may also be the reason why Arab countries are so cheap when it comes to emergency or disaster relief. The problem today is that Islam and this part of the world is no longer wholly tribal, as modernity, if it is anything, it is urban. Trying to superimpose a tribal culture in an urban environment is folly, yet this is the position contemporary Islam finds itself in. Add to this the honour-shame nature of Islamic culture and what you get is the ongoing disaster of modern Islam.

]]> By: Cas Balicki http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-46192 Cas Balicki Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:07:53 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-46192 Jamie, what Islam represents is the codification of tribal culture into religious cannon. Underlying the nature of all tribal cultures is the plague of paternity, the tribe must always be certain of its members forbears for a variety of reasons not the least of which is the distribution of resources along family/clan lines. This certainty can only be gained by locking away the women, hence the distrust of female sexuality and the ridiculous premium placed on virginity. Sex with males under these circumstances is condoned as there is no risk of progeny, in a perverse sort of way it is the safest sex available to clan members. Not to put too fine a point on this argument, but much of this tribalism stems from the very geography of the part of the world dominated by Islam. Being mostly desert and rock geography, there are few resources to distribute within the clan and even fewer to distribute outside of the clan. Continued... Jamie, what Islam represents is the codification of tribal culture into religious cannon. Underlying the nature of all tribal cultures is the plague of paternity, the tribe must always be certain of its members forbears for a variety of reasons not the least of which is the distribution of resources along family/clan lines. This certainty can only be gained by locking away the women, hence the distrust of female sexuality and the ridiculous premium placed on virginity. Sex with males under these circumstances is condoned as there is no risk of progeny, in a perverse sort of way it is the safest sex available to clan members. Not to put too fine a point on this argument, but much of this tribalism stems from the very geography of the part of the world dominated by Islam. Being mostly desert and rock geography, there are few resources to distribute within the clan and even fewer to distribute outside of the clan. Continued…

]]> By: badanov http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/01/30/unable-to-bear-the-company-of-women/#comment-46183 badanov Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:36:03 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/?p=28031#comment-46183 Dunno. Helluva leap from not getting any to destroying one's life for Gawd. And even though not hitting the pink spot isn't the same as other spots, it doesn't quite equate with not getting any. There doesn't appear to be an either/or logic in their lives. Instead of "my way <i>or</i> the highway" it's "my way <i>and</i>the highway". Dunno.

Helluva leap from not getting any to destroying one's life for Gawd. And even though not hitting the pink spot isn't the same as other spots, it doesn't quite equate with not getting any.

There doesn't appear to be an either/or logic in their lives. Instead of "my way or the highway" it's "my way andthe highway".

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