Big News: Trig Palin Actually Born in Kenya
Eric over at Classical Values had a great response to my recent discussion about Birtherism and it’s crackpot leftist cousin Trig Birtherism (the belief that Sarah Palin’s son Trig is actually her grandson instead of her son.) He also had an important discovery:
In fact, I’m going to scoop Andrew on something. It may shock readers to know this, but Trig Palin was born in Kenya!
No, seriously. The only known, true, government-certified copy of his Kenyan Birth Certificate has come into my possession.
And here it is, for the first time on the Internet!
See this amazing revelation for yourself here.
BTW, while we’re on this inane subject again, I feel it necessary — given all the action in the comments on various other posts — to define the term “birther” as I see it.
I define “birther” as someone who argues that President Obama is not eligible to be President because of the alleged circumstances surrounding his birth. Some birthers say Obama was born in Kenya and is thus ineligible to be President. Others say that because his father was not a citizen it wouldn’t matter even if he was born in Hawaii. Such people have sought to explain away all available evidence which points toward the circumstances of Obama’s birth being as he says it is. In their behavior they are clearly individuals possessed of the “Crackpot Conspiracist Mentality” as I’ve defined it.
Those who acknowledge that Obama is almost certainly eligible to be President but merely want to see his “long-form birth certificate” and desire to investigate Obama’s school records, dental records, and movie rental records are therefore, not, by definition, birthers. And I have little quarrel with them except I think they’d be much more effective to distance themselves from self-described Birthers. (And, frankly, I think it’s not the highest priority. Obama’s records have been pursued and studied by the finest opposition researchers in America. Anything big would have been found already. Conservatives should be more focused on America’s future than Obama’s past. It’s better to spend one’s time coming up with policies and strategies to make America better than trying to find out if communist poet Frank Marshall Davis was really Obama’s Dad. Let’s focus on beating bad ideas, not destroying the people who promote them.)
What I wish could be my final message to the Birthers: if the evidence was overwhelmingly clear that Obama was not a natural born citizen and was thus ineligible to be President then it would be a different ball game. But there’s no extraordinary evidence for this extraordinary claim. And because of this Birthers need to acknowledge the reality here: by continuing to push this conspiracy theory the Conservative Movement is being undermined. This stuff destroys credibility. Just as the “Trig Birtherism” theory hurts Andrew Sullivan and every leftist who gets near it, so too does the Obama Birth Certificate theory.
“Obama’s records have been pursued and studied by the finest opposition researchers in America.”
To which records are you referring, David? His Indonesian elementary school records? I know of no other records of his which have been made public. Where is this opposition research to be found? What are you talking about?
I’m talking about everything. I’m talking about his background.
I’m talking about the professional opposition research that’s done when you run for office at the levels that Obama has run. Tens of thousands of dollars are spent by campaigns to investigate political opponents. If there was some silver bullet in Obama’s past it would have been found already by any of the numerous opposition research teams that were used by the Clintons and the GOP against Obama.
By all means continue digging and demanding stuff from Obama’s background. I just think there are better ways for us to spend our time.
David, specifically which records of his have been made public? Can you cite any, aside from his Indonesian public school records? I know of none.
What specifically are you wanting/needing and how is it worth our time to pursue it?
My point is that tens of thousands of dollars have been spent to investigate Obama. Professionals have done it. If there was something amazing to be found then it would have been found.
No they haven’t. He was NEVER vetted by anybody! Check out what happened in Illinois if you do not believe me.
Do you know what “opposition research” is in a campaign and how much money is spent on it in national-level elections?
Gee…….if only this had occured to Dan Rather…..
There was no vetting. Everyone was shocked to find he was in a Black Liberation theology church for twenty years! Wake up David. Stop believing that there are competent people out there looking out for you.
“My point is that tens of thousands of dollars have been spent to investigate Obama.â€
If unimpeachable evidence could have been found—Hillary Clinton’s people would have likely found it! Barack Obama may not have been born in the United States. There is a decent argument for this position. But so what? That’s just not good enough. Most Americans could care less about this dispute. It ranks very low on their list of things to worry about. One would have to show overwhelming evidence to even begin to convince them that Obama should be removed from office.
48 years is a long time. Too long. Those involved in any possible conspiracy are now quite elderly or dead. Obama was just another ho-hum baby in 1961. There would have been no particular reason to remember him. “Future president of the United States†was not stamped on his forehead!
Excellent thinking. Thank you, sir.
David;
There’s still one possibility that everyone’s been overlooking….What if the birth certificate issue is just a bit of misdirection from Obama, to hide something else…. ?
I think you know where I’m going with this…
http://www.tncd.com/ebs/nrb.parents.jpg
I remember reading about an escaped convict (I think it was Ohio) who suffered from a guilty conscience and after some 30 years returned to the prison to give himself up. He had even used his own name and social security number while living in another state—and was never bothered by the authorities. The staff had no information on him. They asked him to return the next day and then found the paperwork buried deep in a backroom. He was convicted on a rather minor offense, and nobody really cared to make a big deal concerning his escape. Computers were not widely used 30 to 50 years ago. He was essentially out of sight, and out of mind.
Barack Obama was also born during a time when official documents were often dealt with in a haphazard manner. I can easily imagine someone doing a favor for his mother and falsifying the information on a birth certificate. It was then placed in a file in a back room—and forgotten. Soon thereafter they couldn’t remember Obama’s name if their life depended on it. The event was simply no big deal. 20 years later the incident, at best, might be a distant memory. 48 years later? Give me a break.
Mr. Swindle,
You continue to ignore the point of the continued pressure, he has yet to prove he is eligible to be President. And that is a game changer. You speak of all of this supposed research done into his background, well, where is it? not just the birth certificate, but the college records, any of it?
You argue that there is no way he could have escaped the vetting proccess. Explain the VERY leangthy and public vetting of Sen. Mcain, yet, not the same treatment for Obama.
I know you dont want to believe, but 10 years ago, no one would have believed that 2 planes could be flown into downtown New York City.
Of several important questions that remain unanswered is this:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2009/williams091209.htm
I’m open for any sensible explanation other than “this is fake.”
The DNC acknowledges their existence, but that’s all they’ll do.
Someone?
He holds the highest office in our Land. I want to see his credentials, in fact, I insist. Till then he remains a usurper.
You can call me a birther David, or a conspiracist. I don’t care.
Are there any records that have not been released by Obama because Obama has refused to waive confidentiality privileges? I honestly don’t have a definitive answer.
If there are, however, it is certainly fair to bring them up long and loud and whatever conclusion are drawn by failure to allow for their release will be the conclusions that are drawn.
Obama has an obligation to bend over backwards to put this matter to rest since he is our leader.
I could not have cared less about this issue until it came out that Obama has spent about 1.5 million dollars to keep his original, long-form birth certificate out of the public eye.
Nobody fights an expensive legal battle without a reason.
What is his reason?
Until we know the answer, conspiracies will cluster on that issue. One of them may even prove to be right.
Please cite a source demonstrating that Obama has spent 1.5 million to hide his “original, long-form birth certificate.” Because every time I talk to a different birther they have a different number that he has allegedly spent but no one has a verifiable, legitimate source on these numbers.
Are you not reading what your readers are posting?
You’re not reading what I’m posting. I’m just beating my head against a brick wall and wasting my time even bothering to try and persuade you not to destroy the Conservative Movement.
I am reading what you write. That seems to be the problem here. There are too many unanswered questions and you seem to be very happy with the status quo. I find it a little disingenuous that you are willing to take Mr. Obama at his word for this subject ( …”the circumstances of Obama’s birth being as he says it is….”) while he has not told a truth to date on anything. I’m sorry, I was wrong again! He has told us the truth at least once! He said he was going to CHANGE America.
“reading” implies comprehending. You’re not comprehending what I’m saying and you’re not really addressing any of my arguments. You’re just monologuing.
I comprehend what you’re saying. You are saying we are detrimental to your cause in our crackpottedness. You are not comprehending what we are saying.
Here’s just one http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2009/Q1/C00431445/B_PAYEE_C00431445.html (Perkins Coie) $688,316.42
David, Try doing an ancestor search. There are records from before 1900. We traced wife’s family tree back to 1637 in the USA. This BS about records being too long ago is not plausible. (No computers? Think Microfiche.) Especially back to the 50’s and 60’s. The Gov’t found mine when my time came to be drafted, and again when they needed it for a TS clearance to be granted in my 40’s. This past election was a snow job on America, we were fed BS and most of us ate it. Now many of us don’t want to admit it. All these questions should have been thoroughly answered before the election process. We were left with too many unanswered questions which only lead to the conspiracy theories. Its my understanding that there was no actual birth certificate provided, like the one the doctor signs, showing who the parents were, and the time and place of the birth, as was on mine. Birth certificates, if they were recorded, they exist.
The World Net Daily folks have uncovered information regarding Obama’s mother: Anne was enrolled in classes at the University of Washington in Seattle 15 DAYS AFTER OBAMA’S BIRTH. Looking at this situation logically, this would make either a Hawaiian birth or Kenyan birth unlikely. Obama was most likely born in Seattle (yes, I know that’s in America) with a small possibility that he was born in Canada…since that’s only about 2 hours away from Seattle. The Dunham family lived in Seattle before they moved to Hawaii. Anne graduated from a Seattle-area high school. They had roots in Seattle, and for some reason they wanted/needed to get Anne the hell out of Dodge and shipped her back there. This was 1961…some years away from Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner and the civil rights movement. The Dunhams have a pregnant 17-year old daughter who is unmarried and pregnant by a black man. A major scandal. The only part they can do anything about is the unmarried part, so there is a shotgun wedding. That’s how it used to be done back in the olden days. But maybe after the wedding they find out Obama, Sr. has another wife back in Kenya, or maybe Obama beats Ann. (This is why his second American wife left him. If he beat one wife, it is not too much of a stretch to assume he beat a previous wife). At any rate, there was a reason to ship her out of Hawaii to Seattle. And also for younger readers, back in the day when you registered for classes, students were herded into gymnasiums where all the departments had tables set up and you signed up for classes by getting into long lines and waiting for your turn. This is significant, because it is unlikely that a woman who just gave birth would hop on a plane for a long journey with a newborn (no disposable diapers in 1961!), hail a cab or hop on a bus, look for an apartment and then go off to the university to stand in long lines…all within days of giving birth. Michelle Obama even described Obama’s mother as being very young and very alone when she gave birth. Was Anne in a home for unwed mothers? In the home of a family friend or relative? Granted, even if it could be proven that Obama was born in Seattle, that’s still the U.S. The real issue is not so much with the birth certificate as it is with his adoption records, passport records and university records. Obama may be an American citizen, but common sense would inform us that he probably passed himself off as a citizen of another country…Indonesia…which brings into question his loyalty to America. And yes, David, that is important.
I am tempted to say that I do not care where he was born- Kenya or Kentucky. By his ideology and his actions he has proven himself to be un-American. That said, I do think it is up to him to put the issue to rest once and for all.
He has no motivation to. It’s much better for him to let this go on and on and on so conservatives can keep looking ridiculous. You’re thinking like a conservative — and assuming that Obama would think the same way. Think like a leftist and you’ll understand why it’s smarter for him to not let the issue die.
LOL. I have no illusions that Obama would ever think like a conservative. I understand the point you’re making, and it does make sense, to an extent. Mr. Obama does represent the entire country, tho, and there seems to be quite a few people who are demanding answers to their questions. Americans have a right to question their leaders, and I think it would be dangerous for them to shut-up simply because they are told to. This small thing, in addition to everything else Obama and this Congress has done, is doing and plans to do in defiance of what the American people want is an indication of the depth of contempt they feel for us. Americans see it and are getting angrier by the day. I think whatever backlash that may be caused by so-called birthers will pale in comparison.
You give them too much credit. Have you spoken to any lefties? They are clueless about most everything! Leftists are not smart. They are arrogant elitists and they think “we” are all stupid. They don’t have a plan or even think about strategies. They just jump on whatever junk they want and then make fun of anyone that doesn’t go along with their stupid ideas that will eventually send us all into the abyss.
Cynthia, I used to be a leftist and have many leftist friends. David Horowitz used to be a leftist. It’s not like we became smart when we became conservatives. Saying “leftists are not smart” indicates you don’t really understand the Left.
People who were idealistic and joined the left type movements in their youth are not who I am referring to as leftists. I’m talking about the crackerboxes that you run into everyday. The common people. Not the writers or the artistic souls that yearn for a man-made utopia. Not the big brains movers and shakers that actually think they can write policy to change the world. I m speaking specifically of the little minded people that are actually just useful idiots. The ones that answer posts with neener, neener, neener. Those leftists!, (And I never accused you of becoming smart.)
the confusion about his birth and elegibility would be non existing if the birthright law would be changed to birthright by Blkood instead of Birthright by “land”. In addition it would help considerable with the illigal imigration problem. As it stands right nbow a Pregnant Immigrant can come here give birth and become the Parent of an American child with all the rights afforded to a citizen (The Child that is) Family Law prevents society to expell her/his Mother, so both are “taken care of!!!