Comments on: What The Heroes of Flight 93 Could Teach Obama If They Sat Together On a Plane

By: Guy DeWhitney

Guy DeWhitney — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:53:35 +0000

Then what mosque pray tell, did the Muslim who stood and challenged Hasan’s “medical” presentation attend?

There are many Western Muslims who preach a non Jihadist version. Many are actually ignorant of the nastier parts of Shari’a etc. There are many Muslims in America who are honestly insulted at some things they hear because they do NOT hear them in their mosque.

It must be said however, that many of these same Muslims do not speak out and when they do their voice is drowned out by the pretend moderates.

The PROBLEM is that all too many Muslims, especially any that are in the Saudi financed web, the “authorities”; the Popes, Patriarchs and Billy Grahams of Islam, do NOT accept the reformed view and are fighting tooth and nail, literally to prevent it.

Ask yourself how a religion that had priests celebrating something like the St. Bartholomewâ€™s Day Massacre only a few hundred years ago became a modern religion of Peace, and you will see how Islam too can be reformed.

The Quran is not the problem, it is the Shari’a and “life and sayings of Mohammed” that cause the difficulty. Dump abrogation and Shari’a and the rest follows naturally. There are movements aiming at just that within Islam. They should be getting a LOT of support.

The main sect of Islam that follows a “normal” religious path are the Ahmadiyya. They are persecuted and killed all over the Islamic world for their “heretical” modern views but their ideas resonate and they will not go away!

Even Wafa Sultan, who is on record as not believing Islam can reform in our lifetime, feels that this sect should get all the support possible as a part of the fight for that eventual reform.

Is reforming Islam easy? No. Likely to happen tomorrow? No. Possible? Oh yes. Desirable? Given that the alternative is a genocidal war on BOTH sides I would say so!!!

By: Guy DeWhitney

Guy DeWhitney — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:22:46 +0000

Not really. The Quran itself is much like the Bible in that once you discard the doctrine of abrogation it is possible to use it to construct and back up a fairly decent theology. This is similar to how both Judaism and Christianity have chosen to move beyond certain OT attitudes despite a clear scriptural basis.

The problem with Islam is mainly the Shari’a and the ahadith. The collection of the tales of the big M’s life and acts was compiled long after his death (MUCH longer than the gap between Jesus and his earliest gospel.) The Shari’a is based as much in the perversions and crimes recorded in the ahadith than the actual Muslim “Bible” the Quran.

The keys to reforming Islam are rejecting Shari’a and rejecting abrogation; which is the practice of discarding any verse written earlier if it contradicts one that came later. Since all the peaceful stuff is concentrated in the earliest parts and the violence in the latter part of the Quran the present doctrine creates a barrier to reform. (Note: early or late refers t when a verse was “revealed’, not to its order in the book. The Quran is VERY random in sequence and excruciatingly repetitive.

Anyone who doubts that it is possible to reform Islam needs to go and read up on the horrific violence and slaughter of innocents by both Catholics and Protestants when the “Reformation” got into full swing. Clergy on both sides righteously led their flocks to slaughter men, women and babies in the name of God and Jesus.

Isn’t it interesting how much time we spend thinking about how Christians treat non-Christians and visa versa, but very little remembering how Christians have treated each other?

By: In the Know

In the Know — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:53:15 +0000

Pardon my ad hominem, there is no other way to say this; you sir, are an idiot. An idiot because you clearly chose not read the article, or, you did not comprehend it. Either way, you sir, are an idiot.

By: Elaine B

Elaine B — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:40:11 +0000

I sincerely doubt that if Obama had sat down with the people on Flight 93 he would have come away with anything but derision for them as he has absolutely no concept of what honor, courage and truth are and certainly would not have been one who stepped up to the plate to try to take down these monsters. In fact, he probably would have hidden out in the lavatory, praying to Allah to save him.

By: S Graham

S Graham — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:33:19 +0000

Mr. DeWhitney–
Malanie Philips would probably agree that Islam is Islam. There is no “Western” non-jihadi version because the foundational texts are set in stone. There may be Westernized Muslims but no brand or version of Westernized and therefore moderate Islam. A kinder, gentler, reformed Islam does not exist–kinder, gentler Muslims perhaps but not Islam.

By: foxmuldar

foxmuldar — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:44:46 +0000

peachey, yes I noticed Obama’s body language. Obama was there because it made for a good photo-op. On his trip to Asia, Obama stopped off at the Air force base and spoke to the troops. Praising them for their service to their country. Unfortunately Obama continues to stall on any decisions concerning Afghanistan. Thousands of American soldiers in harms way in fox holes in Afghanistan, that are looking for some clear direction from their leader. They won’t soon get one. This weekend, the Socialist Obama is in Asia. Once again he was caught bowing to the Japanese emperor. Thats such a total disgrace to the position that Obama holds. Obama refused to comment when asked what he thought about the United States dropping the bomb on Heroshima and Nagasaki. Remember Obama is an apologist. In his mind, America committed atrosities. I would expect another apology shortly. Will Obama expect an apology from the Japanese for the Bataan Death March? Im not holding my breath.

Foxmuldar

By: mikidiki

mikidiki — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:16:52 +0000

There is no mainstream muslim community differing from an extreme muslim community. ALL muslims are the same. To be a muslim leaves no room for manoeuvre. The Koran cannot lie, cannot be modified, cannot be ignored. QED

By: Tom

Tom — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:48:09 +0000

No matter what his location is, BS O is still campaigning. Only this time he is trying to get the Islamic backing of this country. In ten years the Islamic belief individuals will have enough adults to win an election.

By: peachey

peachey — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:44:42 +0000

Fox,
Did you find his body language and voice during the eulogyat Ft. Hood interesting? He was devoid of emotion and his body language was detached from the words. It gave me the creeps. He was not on the campaign trail and had to face real people, during a real tragedy and was unable to muster the emotional turmoil that you or I would feel. This is an insight into who Obama is. It is also an insight into his feelings about our military men and women.

By: peachey

peachey — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:36:36 +0000

The difficulty that I have with CAIR is that they employ and embrace radicals and at the same time refer to themselves as the voice of moderation. They themselves state that the belief in the “whole of Islam” is their basic tennant. If this is the case then they also agree with Hassan’s belief and would approve of his appoach. I believe that they take a political position so that they can continue their support of the growth of Islam in the US by whatever means. I look at their deeds, not just what they parrot to remove a spotlight from their beliefs. Islam is Islam. The very core of Islam is the Koran and haddiths. If you believe in the “whole” then you accept the entire philosophy of “kill the unbelievers no matter where you find them”. It is difficult for us to believe that an entire “religion” could be focused on killing just because a Muslim book dictates this. We were a culture of life and once treasured life. Islam is a religion with a political system and culture based on death. Life has no value to them. The only reward they will ever receive is based on forced spread of Islam and the “possible” reward after death if their deeds meet up to Mohammed’s criteria. This is a belief that most of us can not wrap our brains around because it makes no sense. Regardless of our need to believe that there are moderate Muslims, if you are raised memorizing and repeating the words of the Koran, I find it impossible to accept that there are moderate Muslims that disagree with Hassan’s actions. If they define themselves as moderate and do not accept the killing of non-Muslims, then they do not believe in the words of the Koran and are also defined as infidels. A curious position to be in. You would have those Muslims living in the West establish a westernized version of Islam that eliminates the violent anti-societal verses of the Koran. This will never happen due to the fact that Muslims believe that the Koran is the only true direct word of god.This is the only version that a Muslim will ever accept. Distorting or rewriting the Koran into a Western version would create a level of violence that we could never anticipate.

By: John Davidson

John Davidson — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:15:42 +0000

Oboma is just a spokesman, isn’t that quite obvious. For who, is becoming quite frightening for all of us.

By: John Davidson

John Davidson — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:13:43 +0000

I don’t know what they are teaching at Havard, do you?