Comments on: “Marxo-Sapiens” to the Rescue, Part 2: Prepare for 1,900 Pages of Unintended Consequences http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:34:39 +0000 hourly 1 By: Steve R http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/#comment-24204 Steve R Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:42:36 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=14380#comment-24204 Many are the pundits now who claim the Senate will moderate, diminish, perhaps even kill Obamacare. I am not one who buys that song-and-dance. Hawwy Weed won't be outdone, and there are too many fence-sitters in the Senate for comfort. Joe Leiberman is talking a good fight right now, but some tinkering (a 'trigger'?) could well turn him. I'm reinforced in this view by this transcript(from NRO) of Charles Krauthammer's take on the issue from last night's Fox News All-stars. Krauthammer's Take [NRO Staff] From last night's Fox News All-Stars. On the passage of health care in the House: In the Senate, Lieberman has said he will stand in the way of a public option. I'm not sure that will succeed, because all the Senate has to do is put in a trigger, and if a trigger is inserted, then Lieberman will be against it but Olympia Snowe will probably support it, and you will get Democrats like Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who have been on the fence on this, who will also [vote yes]. So I think it's possible that a public option will come out of the Senate which could be under a trigger. But I think the more general issue about the politics of this is that Pelosi has led her party over a cliff. If, as is less likely, it gets stuck in the Senate, then a lot of Democrats are way out on a limb the way they were after the cap-and-trade vote in the House. [And] if it passes in any form in the Senate, the Democrats are going to have a health-care proposal which I think will haunt them for a decade. There is so much pain in here — increase in taxes, increase in premiums, extra bureaucracy, interference in the medical treatment of patients — which people will be able to feel and to see within months and surely within years. This will be a millstone around Democrats for years if it passes. Many are the pundits now who claim the Senate will moderate, diminish, perhaps even kill Obamacare. I am not one who buys that song-and-dance. Hawwy Weed won’t be outdone, and there are too many fence-sitters in the Senate for comfort. Joe Leiberman is talking a good fight right now, but some tinkering (a ‘trigger’?) could well turn him.
I’m reinforced in this view by this transcript(from NRO) of Charles Krauthammer’s take on the issue from last night’s Fox News All-stars.

Krauthammer’s Take [NRO Staff]

From last night’s Fox News All-Stars.

On the passage of health care in the House:

In the Senate, Lieberman has said he will stand in the way of a public option. I’m not sure that will succeed, because all the Senate has to do is put in a trigger, and if a trigger is inserted, then Lieberman will be against it but Olympia Snowe will probably support it, and you will get Democrats like Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who have been on the fence on this, who will also [vote yes].

So I think it’s possible that a public option will come out of the Senate which could be under a trigger.

But I think the more general issue about the politics of this is that Pelosi has led her party over a cliff. If, as is less likely, it gets stuck in the Senate, then a lot of Democrats are way out on a limb the way they were after the cap-and-trade vote in the House. [And] if it passes in any form in the Senate, the Democrats are going to have a health-care proposal which I think will haunt them for a decade.

There is so much pain in here — increase in taxes, increase in premiums, extra bureaucracy, interference in the medical treatment of patients — which people will be able to feel and to see within months and surely within years. This will be a millstone around Democrats for years if it passes.

]]> By: Steve R http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/#comment-24209 Steve R Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:42:36 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=14380#comment-24209 Many are the pundits now who claim the Senate will moderate, diminish, perhaps even kill Obamacare. I am not one who buys that song-and-dance. Hawwy Weed won't be outdone, and there are too many fence-sitters in the Senate for comfort. Joe Leiberman is talking a good fight right now, but some tinkering (a 'trigger'?) could well turn him. I'm reinforced in this view by this transcript(from NRO) of Charles Krauthammer's take on the issue from last night's Fox News All-stars. Krauthammer's Take [NRO Staff] From last night's Fox News All-Stars. On the passage of health care in the House: In the Senate, Lieberman has said he will stand in the way of a public option. I'm not sure that will succeed, because all the Senate has to do is put in a trigger, and if a trigger is inserted, then Lieberman will be against it but Olympia Snowe will probably support it, and you will get Democrats like Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who have been on the fence on this, who will also [vote yes]. So I think it's possible that a public option will come out of the Senate which could be under a trigger. But I think the more general issue about the politics of this is that Pelosi has led her party over a cliff. If, as is less likely, it gets stuck in the Senate, then a lot of Democrats are way out on a limb the way they were after the cap-and-trade vote in the House. [And] if it passes in any form in the Senate, the Democrats are going to have a health-care proposal which I think will haunt them for a decade. There is so much pain in here — increase in taxes, increase in premiums, extra bureaucracy, interference in the medical treatment of patients — which people will be able to feel and to see within months and surely within years. This will be a millstone around Democrats for years if it passes. Many are the pundits now who claim the Senate will moderate, diminish, perhaps even kill Obamacare. I am not one who buys that song-and-dance. Hawwy Weed won’t be outdone, and there are too many fence-sitters in the Senate for comfort. Joe Leiberman is talking a good fight right now, but some tinkering (a ‘trigger’?) could well turn him.
I’m reinforced in this view by this transcript(from NRO) of Charles Krauthammer’s take on the issue from last night’s Fox News All-stars.

Krauthammer’s Take [NRO Staff]

From last night’s Fox News All-Stars.

On the passage of health care in the House:

In the Senate, Lieberman has said he will stand in the way of a public option. I’m not sure that will succeed, because all the Senate has to do is put in a trigger, and if a trigger is inserted, then Lieberman will be against it but Olympia Snowe will probably support it, and you will get Democrats like Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who have been on the fence on this, who will also [vote yes].

So I think it’s possible that a public option will come out of the Senate which could be under a trigger.

But I think the more general issue about the politics of this is that Pelosi has led her party over a cliff. If, as is less likely, it gets stuck in the Senate, then a lot of Democrats are way out on a limb the way they were after the cap-and-trade vote in the House. [And] if it passes in any form in the Senate, the Democrats are going to have a health-care proposal which I think will haunt them for a decade.

There is so much pain in here — increase in taxes, increase in premiums, extra bureaucracy, interference in the medical treatment of patients — which people will be able to feel and to see within months and surely within years. This will be a millstone around Democrats for years if it passes.

]]> By: MMM http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/#comment-24205 MMM Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:26:05 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=14380#comment-24205 This bill was written to 'redistribute wealth' and doesn't do a damn thing to provide affordable healthcare. What are middle class Americans going to do when they have to replace a heater, or replace a roof -- they aren't going to be able to afford to do it because the government has 'redistributed' their wealth in the form of this ridiculous tax on their income. FIGHT OPPRESSION. This bill was written to ‘redistribute wealth’ and doesn’t do a damn thing to provide affordable healthcare. What are middle class Americans going to do when they have to replace a heater, or replace a roof — they aren’t going to be able to afford to do it because the government has ‘redistributed’ their wealth in the form of this ridiculous tax on their income.

FIGHT OPPRESSION.

]]> By: MMM http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/#comment-24210 MMM Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:26:05 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=14380#comment-24210 This bill was written to 'redistribute wealth' and doesn't do a damn thing to provide affordable healthcare. What are middle class Americans going to do when they have to replace a heater, or replace a roof -- they aren't going to be able to afford to do it because the government has 'redistributed' their wealth in the form of this ridiculous tax on their income. FIGHT OPPRESSION. This bill was written to ‘redistribute wealth’ and doesn’t do a damn thing to provide affordable healthcare. What are middle class Americans going to do when they have to replace a heater, or replace a roof — they aren’t going to be able to afford to do it because the government has ‘redistributed’ their wealth in the form of this ridiculous tax on their income.

FIGHT OPPRESSION.

]]> By: Theodore Blunt http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/#comment-24208 Theodore Blunt Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:49:40 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=14380#comment-24208 This bill was written to buy the votes of people who no longer want the government to care for them "from womb to tomb" but now expect care from "injection to reserection'. This bill was written to buy the votes of people who no longer want the government to care for them “from womb to tomb” but now expect care from “injection to reserection’.

]]> By: Theodore Blunt http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/#comment-24213 Theodore Blunt Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:49:40 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=14380#comment-24213 This bill was written to buy the votes of people who no longer want the government to care for them "from womb to tomb" but now expect care from "injection to reserection'. This bill was written to buy the votes of people who no longer want the government to care for them “from womb to tomb” but now expect care from “injection to reserection’.

]]> By: Guy DeWhitney http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/#comment-24207 Guy DeWhitney Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:37:11 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=14380#comment-24207 Whatever happend to the Plain English Amendment? Whatever happend to the Plain English Amendment?

]]> By: Guy DeWhitney http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/#comment-24212 Guy DeWhitney Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:37:11 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=14380#comment-24212 Whatever happend to the Plain English Amendment? Whatever happend to the Plain English Amendment?

]]> By: John Davidson http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/#comment-24206 John Davidson Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:33:54 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=14380#comment-24206 There must have been a multitude of lawyers writing the bill and right there is why it is convoluted and incomprehensable. There must have been a multitude of lawyers writing the bill and right there is why it is convoluted and incomprehensable.

]]> By: John Davidson http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/11/09/%e2%80%9cmarxo-sapiens%e2%80%9d-to-the-rescue-part-2-prepare-for-1900-pages-of-unintended-consequences/#comment-24211 John Davidson Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:33:54 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=14380#comment-24211 There must have been a multitude of lawyers writing the bill and right there is why it is convoluted and incomprehensable. There must have been a multitude of lawyers writing the bill and right there is why it is convoluted and incomprehensable.

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