I don't understand the stupid positions taken by the so-called libertarians/ conservatives on this site either.

Why does Sarah Palin have to "shut up" just because she is a Christian?

Atheists are more fundamentalist and militant about their beliefs than Sarah Palin is about hers. They are the ones who ban books, prohibit speech, invoke regulations, and scapegoat people of religion. (I like that, a new victim group-people of religion).

A militant atheist I knew told me during a debate that he thought Palin was crazy because he had read somewhere that she believed in witches. That same day, headline news on CBS: "Steven Hawkins Says Time Travel is Possible".

Go figure.

1. If Palin was truly "pro-life," an actual decision (of whether to abort)) would not have existed. Get it? Being pro-life does not require any decision-making process!!!! Palin, like many "pro-lifers," reserve the right to MAKE THEIR CHOICE (thank you very much) but yak away about how the rest of us may not.

2. "Unable to match her integrity …" Please!!!!!!! See above.

The best thing people like Mr. Koenig could possibly do to enlighten themselves to this WOMAN'S issue would be to get out there and actually talk to those of us who wear our reproductive organs on the inside.

At this point, I'd like to see SP do the "Christian" thing and get her ass down to Haiti. Devote her life/money/time to helping the poor. Then, and only then, would I give her the respect the Christian right expects me to give her. Oh, and they should get their asses down there, as well.

As to HOW ?

I assume it could have just been put together in Photoshop, but you’d have to ask the photographer….

Hey, swenson!! what gives? the colors are great…but???!!! AND just HOW could this photo have been accomplished, too?

You ask a good question…

In attempting to discuss an idea, I would have preferred that people speak objectively about the idea itself, and many as seen above have…

I think the problem comes from the fact that religion stirs up such enormous passion in people, that they occasionally lose sight of the idea, and focus on the messenger. As an open and acknowledged atheist, I stir up some pretty deep hatred, in certain people with small minds… mainly, IMHO, because when an atheist starts to talk intelligently about any subject, the religious zealots are intimidated by his erudition, and go on the attack at the person for being an atheist rather than anything that he says…

In this recent brawl, some of the real zealots gave us a peek behind their masks at what really makes them tick… One of the worst of the lot, Jonathan, showed us his real motives, in the following line from one of his posts…..

I shall use your encouragement to bolster my mission of calling out atheists for what they truly are: shills of the Marxists.

They may hate me, but I don’t hate them..I feel sorry for them sometimes, but until they start trying to legislate their moral and religious ideas, they’re basically harmless children.. sot of like the hare krishnas dancing around in the airports all the time…. they tend to get lost in the scenery…

I guess we just have to be tolerant of the children…

Ditto… nice to hear from you too…

My comments are as follows;

I agree with you when you say that foundational goals of the leadership of both parties has been the same, in fact most people have no idea how closely they were actually tied to each other prior to BHO.

You’re right on the money when you point to the example Bush #I and Clinton.

Bush #I had an incredible CV.. True war hero, congressman, ambassador, CIA chief, VP to Reagan, etc… One of the things on his CV that almost nobody knows about and which some in the govt will probably still deny, is something that he did that no American official has ever done before or since, and that was that while he was serving as our ambassador to China, he was also covertly serving as the CIA station Chief for China as well…. Actually a rather unique accomplishment.

His ties to the CIA are well known, but most people aren’t aware of how deeply Clinton was also involved with the CIA as well. In fact the one man, most responsible for Clinton getting elected was former CIA chief Bill Casey. There was a meeting between Casey and Clinton in which Casey told Clinton he would put Clinton on his short list for the white house. It was reported in “Compromised” by Terry Reed… The other anonymous character at that meeting working for Casey under a pseudonym, was actually Olie North.

I could elaborate on their secret relationship for hours… and even more fascinating is the real story of how he actually got elected, but that’s not the issue here… The fact is they were both closely tied together by their common efforts towards the new world order you refer to…. I assume that Bush was more senior than Clinton in that pack of thieves, but I don’t know exactly where in the pecking order he really was… I suspect not very high….. We can speculate for weeks about the Trilaterals, or the Bilderbergs, but I think that they’re not really the people pulling the strings…. but they might be I guess. Their profile isn’t exactly a carbon copy of SMERSH… but questions do remain.

The other thing that I believe most people don’t know about is how utterly corrupt the entire Bush political family establishment was for SO many years… Bush I & II are both descendants of one of the slimiest and most corrupt of ALL political families… I don’t know where W fit into the scheme, but I suspect that he was really just the amiable jerk who was next in line…. I only know of one seriously corrupt fellow in W’s political connections… and he certainly made some decisions that indicated that he was indeed a member of that team…. But with all of that said, he STILL even a small percentage of what the Clinton political team threw at him from the day he was sworn in… Hillary was clearly simply buying a little extra INSURANCE to guarantee her election in 2008… And BOY would I have paid dearly to have been a fly on the wall in her hotel room the night when it finally hit her that Obama had indeed stolen the prize from her..A recording of her words that night would be simply PRICELESS…

Your entire premise as you elaborated, of the smoke screen covering how closely many of them were associated, is absolutely correct… But I believe that with the exception of a few really devious and deceitful Republicans who are still in congress & the senate, that those basic ties have now been shattered between the two parties by Obama… who’s playing an entirely new ballgame….. And it’s a take no prisoner hard ball game run right out of the Al Capone Chicago playbook….

As to your comments about the diminishing influence of the VALUES and PRINCIPLES that religion teaches, I agree that it’s indeed responsible for a large % of what’s going on in the younger generations… PLEASE if you can, make it a point to watch the first 20 minutes of tonight’s Glen Beck show, because in it, he delivers a truly incredible speech on this specific issue… If you can find it on a friend’s DVR.. go out of your way to watch it… You will absolutely be mesmerized by it as I was…

Of course, I lament the loss of the principles & values in the upbringing of Gen Y, but not the church itself… As I’ve said before, all of those basic fundamental values, can be arrived at through rational thought, without the help of god… We’ll probably always disagree on that, but that’s OK given that we’re so in sync on the rest of it…

I do suggest that you really re-assess the list of your enemies who are now in your “ministry”… Democrats, socialist, Muslims, (or atheists) because islam is indeed EVERYONE’S enemy, and I personally do not believe that we can fully eliminate the threat of islam without eliminating ALL muslims… Of course, I’m not going to win many friends by saying that either, but it is what I believe…

But I think you were WAY off base when you said:

Right now, though, I would rather focus my attention on encouraging individual lives than trying to get people elected who probably are actually hostile to my core beliefs anyway.

Peace !

Thanks again for the reply. I love intelligent discussion with all people. At moments there you are sounding like my father. He is a great man and politically minded though we often disagree. We have had some deep discussions about this subject. He, like you I think, sees Obama is a great threat and believes almost anyone would be better than him. Also, thanks for the complements, as well. However, to answer what I think is your basic questions in your post, you may want to take them back as I might sound to you a little crazy now. But, anyway, here it goes.

On the surface, there are extreme differences between the Republican and Democratic parties. However, I believe, the foundational goals of their leadership is basically the same. That goal is globalism with all nations under a single central global governance, currency, and under a single global religion. This requires a decline of American dominance of which, I believe, is the actual goal of the current administration. So, I guess, to answer one of your questions, yes and much to my father’s chagrin, I do believe we have already gone down the slippery slope too far.

Let me explain further. As much as I disagree with atheists, I do not see them as philosophically America’s greatest threat. Our greatest threat right now is the rise in paganism which comes under many different names but basically states that we are all gods and need to come together globally and be of one mind to achieve Utopia, Nirvana, the higher conscience, also called the next step in evolution. You may be surprised to find out that these globalist pagans apparently see three main groups that they must defeat to achieve their goals. They are Christianity, Orthodox Judaism, and Atheism. They have been infiltrating our schools and our churches for many years now. Many of these pagans even call themselves Christians.

Here are some questions. Have you ever wondered how George H Bush could run around the world with Bill Clinton while at the same time many of the Clinton cronies were saying such horrible things about W? Doesn’t make sense, does it? Remember Bush Sr, I believe, was the first President to use the term “New World Order” (a term right out of New Age paganism). How is it that Newt, who just wrote a book about God in America, also wrote the forward to another book by Alvin and Heidi Toffler, both New Age pagans? The Tofflers’ book promotes the “Third Wave” which basically calls for the abolishment of the old constitution in favor of a new global one. Newt did not just write the forward, but has actively promoted their ideas to colleagues and academics. Did you know Sarah Palin’s Christianity is dominionistic? Without going into it, suffice to say that, I believe many (not all) in this style of Christianity along with many in the Emergent Church movement, Catholics, Mormons, and the ecumenical movement among others will have no problem accepting the globalist agenda.

Here’s another question. Why are so many prominent politicians from both parties members of the same NGO’s (Non-Governmental Organizations or “Think Tanks” which are usually closely aligned with the UN and made up of members from all over the world). NGO’s are actually far from being non-governmental organizations. They ARE non-nationalistic organizations, however. Much of our American policies actually start at these NGO’s. Another thing . . . Many call Obama a Muslim. I believe, however, one does not have to make that much of a jump from one of Michele’s quotes about Oprah (sorry I don’t have the exact quote in front of me), that she and Barack may be followers or are at least very sympathetic to the ideas of Oprah’s pagan New Age guru. I could go on. But if you want to, just google globalism and your favorite politicians and see where they stand. You may be surprised what you find out. Other scary googles are “depopulation” and “useless eaters.” Try doing those with Nixon, Carter, Bush Sr., Rockefeller, or Kissinger.

By the way, I have not given up on politics per say. I just don’t believe that the “let’s get our man elected and everything will be OK” mentality works anymore (if it ever really worked). Both major parties and pretty much all third parties have been infiltrated with the globalist ideas. Also, you need major, major money to get elected to a high ranking political position now a day. That requires accepting money from the people with the money. You can not win on simply average Joe donations. Now when you accept this money, believe me, there are strings attached. Most all of these wealthy people hold to the globalist ideology. I’m sure you get where I am going with this.

That is why, I believe, the only chance for America is a national revival to Biblical
Christianity (not American Christianity as I talked about above as being so damaging). It is only Biblical Christianity that really holds the foundation of the values most people admire and that has the ability to stabilize a Republic style of government. No other religion really has a book quite like the Bible that offers so much freedom yet carries so much authority. Pretty much all of the problems we are facing economically, socially, environmentally, and politically are due to corruption. If all politicians, businessmen, and religious leaders chose to live their lives honestly and with integrity, so much would be different. The Bible, if followed, has the answers to solving this corruption. But it must be done one individual at a time. It cannot be done in mass or through legislation or simply through elections.

All to say, the outcome of many elections, especially when it comes to the presidential races, appear to be predetermined anymore. What I mean by this is that the candidates from both parties, I believe, are now “preapproved” before even being able to run for office. This ensures that no matter what party wins, the globalists have a candidate that will be elected. I believe the two parties may highlight superficial differences and rile up their bases against each other, however their foundational agendas and beliefs are basically the same. As depressing as this may sound, it has been quite liberating for me. I no longer see Democrats, socialist, Muslims, (or atheists) as my enemy, but as my ministry. In other words, I want them to see how much Jesus loves them no matter what they’ve done or what they now believe politically or otherwise. I think this is what my God would want. I think this is the Christianity that is missing from America. I still do believe one should not be ashamed to state what they believe or to point out errors or policies that could be hurtful to others. Right now, though, I would rather focus my attention on encouraging individual lives than trying to get people elected who probably are actually hostile to my core beliefs anyway.

I hope this makes sense. I have really enjoyed discussing issues with you.

This is a repeat of something that I just posted down towards the end of this blog

I screwed up and misspoke above, for which I humbly apologize

After David S started this blog, I forgot my actual words in the original comment I made on a different blog with which he started this one.

Apparently I DID indeed say that Sarah threw her religion in their face…

It was an error to say that for which I can only offer one explanation…..

By comparison to the total amount of of commentary coming from MOST religious candidates, much of which is pure BS just like the rest of the lies they spout to get elected, Sarah talked about it quite a bit…

I was WRONG to characterize it as throwing her religion in their face..

What actually happened, was that the far left MSM smear merchants, who were searching for anything they could find that they could use to help them go after EVERY person associated with the McCain campaign, hit paydirt as soon as she revealed the fact that she had a downs syndrome baby who she brought to term because she didn’t believe in abortion At THAT point, they had ALL the ammo they needed in order to attack her faith with their venom and hate in full view for everyone to see.

When asked about it she correctly told the truth about her principles and her beliefs, for which I admire her greatly… It was the right thing to do, and it couldn’t possibly have done her any meaningful further harm, because the cat was already out of the bag…

So the bottom line is that I did misspeak which I regret and sincerely apologize for….

Many of you already know that when I get on a roll about something I’m truly PASSIONATE about, I say it like it is, and sometimes do regrettably go over the top with my comments… That’s what happened with the original quote with which David S started this BRAWL

I just hope that the majority of the Rational members of this blog understand that the TRUE enemy I’m trying to battle here is the Obama administration, and all of the lowlifes like, Reid, Pelosi & Murtha etc., and NOT the millions of fine christians who share my desire to TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY !!!

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa !