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		<title>By: LCpl Mosley</title>
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		<dc:creator>LCpl Mosley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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Brock was sent to sabotage this story which others had been reporting and knowing about for several years.</description>
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<p>Brock was sent to sabotage this story which others had been reporting and knowing about for several years.</p>
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		<title>By: Steynian 390 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steynian 390 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: With Every Reply Krepel Just Keeps Digging a Deeper Hole To Defend Smear of Beck &#124; Prayer And Action</title>
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		<dc:creator>With Every Reply Krepel Just Keeps Digging a Deeper Hole To Defend Smear of Beck &#124; Prayer And Action</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: With Every Reply Krepel Just Keeps Digging a Deeper Hole To Defend Smear of Beck &#171; NewsReal Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>With Every Reply Krepel Just Keeps Digging a Deeper Hole To Defend Smear of Beck &#171; NewsReal Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: In the know</title>
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		<dc:creator>In the know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the problem is your &quot;yellow journalism&quot;. What discrepancy? You say one exists so that makes it true? What&#039;s next? An expose&#039; on David Swindle? Perhaps there are conflicting reports on whether or not he lied to his mother about brushing his teeth before bed on August 17th 1993. Until this discrepancy is resolved, he certainly can&#039;t be trusted? You can make no valid argument to justify this investigation. It belongs on late night TV between Shamwow infomercials and 1-800-&quot;Aks-Gary&quot; ads. &quot;Don&#039;t be skerred and confused&quot;. You people have no class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the problem is your &#8220;yellow journalism&#8221;. What discrepancy? You say one exists so that makes it true? What&#8217;s next? An expose&#8217; on David Swindle? Perhaps there are conflicting reports on whether or not he lied to his mother about brushing his teeth before bed on August 17th 1993. Until this discrepancy is resolved, he certainly can&#8217;t be trusted? You can make no valid argument to justify this investigation. It belongs on late night TV between Shamwow infomercials and 1-800-&#8221;Aks-Gary&#8221; ads. &#8220;Don&#8217;t be skerred and confused&#8221;. You people have no class.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So and and all comments about a public figure&#039;s personal life constitute a &quot;smear&quot;? Beck is the one who has made this an issue by discussing the issue in public forums. That gives license for anyone to investigate the claim, since the incident in question is also a matter of public record.

I have not claimed (nor has Media Matters) that Beck is &quot;a vicious liar who would exploit personal tragedy,&quot; so don&#039;t put words in my mouth. Anything beyond the evidence that has been presented -- that there is a discrepancy between the official record and what Beck has said -- is speculative until such time that Beck chooses to explain the discrepancy, since he&#039;s the only one who can. How can this be a &quot;smear&quot; when all of the information presented was taken from the public record?

Beck has made incorporated his personal history -- a difficult childhood and later drug abuse and alcholism, then redemption through religion and conservative politics -- into his public appeal. He has blurred the personal and the political. Why can&#039;t that be looked into?

Tell me -- what are we not allowed to report or investigate about Beck? Where is the line? Why is this particular story on the wrong side of that line, aside from the fact that it raises questions about Beck you would rather not see raised? What is the &quot;ad hominem smear&quot; in the information provided by Media Matters (which, as I previously noted, originated elsewhere)?

Are you accusing the Tacoma News-Tribune, or Salon, of engaging in &quot;ad hominem smears&quot; for committing the offense of originally reporting this discrepancy?

Or are you saying that what one might reasonably conclude from the presentation of this factual information, in the absence of further explanation from Beck, is the &quot;smear&quot;? If so, your problem is with Beck, not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So and and all comments about a public figure&#8217;s personal life constitute a &#8220;smear&#8221;? Beck is the one who has made this an issue by discussing the issue in public forums. That gives license for anyone to investigate the claim, since the incident in question is also a matter of public record.</p>
<p>I have not claimed (nor has Media Matters) that Beck is &#8220;a vicious liar who would exploit personal tragedy,&#8221; so don&#8217;t put words in my mouth. Anything beyond the evidence that has been presented &#8212; that there is a discrepancy between the official record and what Beck has said &#8212; is speculative until such time that Beck chooses to explain the discrepancy, since he&#8217;s the only one who can. How can this be a &#8220;smear&#8221; when all of the information presented was taken from the public record?</p>
<p>Beck has made incorporated his personal history &#8212; a difficult childhood and later drug abuse and alcholism, then redemption through religion and conservative politics &#8212; into his public appeal. He has blurred the personal and the political. Why can&#8217;t that be looked into?</p>
<p>Tell me &#8212; what are we not allowed to report or investigate about Beck? Where is the line? Why is this particular story on the wrong side of that line, aside from the fact that it raises questions about Beck you would rather not see raised? What is the &#8220;ad hominem smear&#8221; in the information provided by Media Matters (which, as I previously noted, originated elsewhere)?</p>
<p>Are you accusing the Tacoma News-Tribune, or Salon, of engaging in &#8220;ad hominem smears&#8221; for committing the offense of originally reporting this discrepancy?</p>
<p>Or are you saying that what one might reasonably conclude from the presentation of this factual information, in the absence of further explanation from Beck, is the &#8220;smear&#8221;? If so, your problem is with Beck, not me.</p>
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		<title>By: LanceThruster</title>
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		<dc:creator>LanceThruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot; If it turns out that Beck is lying about the circumstances surrounding his motherâ€™s death, that could cause people to question whether he is being truthful about other worldly matters.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That was the argument against Hillary&#039;s account of the Tuzla &quot;sniper-fire&quot; (and rightly so).

It&#039;s amazing that anyone with an IQ into double-digits treats Beck seriously considering his own words: &lt;i&gt;â€œIâ€™m a rodeo clown,â€ he said in an interview, adding with a coy smile, â€œIt takes great skill.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

see: http://gawker.com/5189897/glenn-beck-calls-himself-a-rodeo-clown

And look at what the supposed actual party leadership thinks of the de facto party leadership: &lt;i&gt;The new chairman of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele, apologized to Rush Limbaugh on Monday after describing him in a television interview over the weekend as an â€œentertainerâ€ who made incendiary and sometimes ugly remarks, party officials said.&lt;/i&gt;

see: http://open.salon.com/blog/chris_b/2009/03/13/just_entertainment_from_rush_limbaugh_to_jon_stewart

The RepubliCons have seen clearly that they can only antagonize the crazy base at their own peril. This does not bode well for anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8221; If it turns out that Beck is lying about the circumstances surrounding his motherâ€™s death, that could cause people to question whether he is being truthful about other worldly matters.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That was the argument against Hillary&#8217;s account of the Tuzla &#8220;sniper-fire&#8221; (and rightly so).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing that anyone with an IQ into double-digits treats Beck seriously considering his own words: <i>â€œIâ€™m a rodeo clown,â€ he said in an interview, adding with a coy smile, â€œIt takes great skill.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>see: <a href="http://gawker.com/5189897/glenn-beck-calls-himself-a-rodeo-clown" rel="nofollow">http://gawker.com/5189897/glenn-beck-calls-himself-a-rodeo-clown</a></p>
<p>And look at what the supposed actual party leadership thinks of the de facto party leadership: <i>The new chairman of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele, apologized to Rush Limbaugh on Monday after describing him in a television interview over the weekend as an â€œentertainerâ€ who made incendiary and sometimes ugly remarks, party officials said.</i></p>
<p>see: <a href="http://open.salon.com/blog/chris_b/2009/03/13/just_entertainment_from_rush_limbaugh_to_jon_stewart" rel="nofollow">http://open.salon.com/blog/chris_b/2009/03/13/just_entertainment_from_rush_limbaugh_to_jon_stewart</a></p>
<p>The RepubliCons have seen clearly that they can only antagonize the crazy base at their own peril. This does not bode well for anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: David Swindle</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Swindle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a waste of my time.

You honestly see no difference between an ad hominem smear and a legitimate political disagreement?

At NewsReal we criticize people for the ideas that they hold and promote. That&#039;s entirely legitimate. (Just as it&#039;s legitimate for you to attack Beck&#039;s policy ideas.)

It&#039;s not an ad hominem smear to criticize someone for promoting wrongheaded policy (which is what we primarily do.) This is worlds apart from digging into someone&#039;s painful personal history to try and demonstrate that they&#039;re a vicious liar who would exploit personal tragedy.

This is practically the most damning comment yet, Terry. Confessing that you don&#039;t know what a smear even is -- that you don&#039;t know what&#039;s appropriate in intellectual discourse and what isn&#039;t -- basically proves my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a waste of my time.</p>
<p>You honestly see no difference between an ad hominem smear and a legitimate political disagreement?</p>
<p>At NewsReal we criticize people for the ideas that they hold and promote. That&#8217;s entirely legitimate. (Just as it&#8217;s legitimate for you to attack Beck&#8217;s policy ideas.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not an ad hominem smear to criticize someone for promoting wrongheaded policy (which is what we primarily do.) This is worlds apart from digging into someone&#8217;s painful personal history to try and demonstrate that they&#8217;re a vicious liar who would exploit personal tragedy.</p>
<p>This is practically the most damning comment yet, Terry. Confessing that you don&#8217;t know what a smear even is &#8212; that you don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s appropriate in intellectual discourse and what isn&#8217;t &#8212; basically proves my point.</p>
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		<title>By: In the know</title>
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		<dc:creator>In the know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is he using similar tactics in his bully pulpit? &quot;

And the truth shall set you free. You fear him, your verbage confirms it. Beck has no bully pulpit. His viewership does not come to him via an office. He has no power or authority. You seem to perceive that he does though? Is this the reason for the smears from your camp? Most definitely. Why do you fear him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is he using similar tactics in his bully pulpit? &#8221;</p>
<p>And the truth shall set you free. You fear him, your verbage confirms it. Beck has no bully pulpit. His viewership does not come to him via an office. He has no power or authority. You seem to perceive that he does though? Is this the reason for the smears from your camp? Most definitely. Why do you fear him?</p>
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		<title>By: betty boop</title>
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		<dc:creator>betty boop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It can take a little digging to tell the difference between the hate merchants and the reachable.&quot;   Indeed.  While middle aged, diminutive women don&#039;t often get taken seriously (ask Kathy Shaidle),  I am making small inroads with a &quot;squishy&quot; friend whom I recently debated on &quot;nice old Mr. Carter&quot;.  After calling me out on my comment that Carter was surely anti-Semitic, he decided to fact-check me (just like MSNBC!) and was shocked to see the ugly side of the old dear.  Now he&#039;s fact-checking all my arguments, and discovering my secret.  I don&#039;t argue unless I&#039;m pretty darned sure of myself.  Thank God, once in awhile, the truth actually does set you free.  Thank you for being one of my favorite sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It can take a little digging to tell the difference between the hate merchants and the reachable.&#8221;   Indeed.  While middle aged, diminutive women don&#8217;t often get taken seriously (ask Kathy Shaidle),  I am making small inroads with a &#8220;squishy&#8221; friend whom I recently debated on &#8220;nice old Mr. Carter&#8221;.  After calling me out on my comment that Carter was surely anti-Semitic, he decided to fact-check me (just like MSNBC!) and was shocked to see the ugly side of the old dear.  Now he&#8217;s fact-checking all my arguments, and discovering my secret.  I don&#8217;t argue unless I&#8217;m pretty darned sure of myself.  Thank God, once in awhile, the truth actually does set you free.  Thank you for being one of my favorite sources.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should how Beck&#039;s mother died matter to anyone other than Beck and the rest of his family? I haven&#039;t read any of his comments about it, but if he believes she committed suicide and has spoken about the effect this may have had on him, why would anyone attack him because of it? Especially anyone on the left- aren&#039;t they supposed to be the most sympathetic and compassionate people? In what could have been a discussion about the tragedy of suicide, this has been turned into something ugly and political. It&#039;s what the left does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should how Beck&#8217;s mother died matter to anyone other than Beck and the rest of his family? I haven&#8217;t read any of his comments about it, but if he believes she committed suicide and has spoken about the effect this may have had on him, why would anyone attack him because of it? Especially anyone on the left- aren&#8217;t they supposed to be the most sympathetic and compassionate people? In what could have been a discussion about the tragedy of suicide, this has been turned into something ugly and political. It&#8217;s what the left does.</p>
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		<title>By: Stakkato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stakkato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nowâ€¦ If you are going to try to claim that you are not smearing, why on earth would you make a tu quoque argument pointing out that the other side has also done what youâ€™re being accused of?&quot;

It is not at all incongruous to simultaneously resort to both mechanisms for defending oneself, Mr. Swindle. Jesus Christ Himself resorted to responses of a similar sort many times throughout His earthly ministry in defending His disciples from the Pharisees&#039; accusations of law-breaking.

&quot;The issue here is this: is it appropriate to bring up the circumstances surrounding the death of Glenn Beckâ€™s mother? What purpose can this serve in todayâ€™s political dialogue?&quot;

I&#039;ll take a crack at that second question...

If one has reason to believe that Beck&#039;s own understanding of the situation is misguided, then others who are intently watch-dogging him can make the following claim: &#039;Well since he was wrong about this little matter, he could be just as wrong (if not more so) about more pressing concerns.&#039; And in light of this observation, the answer to the first question may well be &#039;yes.&#039; If it turns out that Beck is lying about the circumstances surrounding his mother&#039;s death, that could cause people to question whether he is being truthful about other worldly matters.

Of course, determining WHETHER Beck is lying is an entirely different matter, one that neither I nor Mr. Krepel nor Mr. Swindle -- or anyone else but Mr. Beck himself -- can determine with certainty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nowâ€¦ If you are going to try to claim that you are not smearing, why on earth would you make a tu quoque argument pointing out that the other side has also done what youâ€™re being accused of?&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not at all incongruous to simultaneously resort to both mechanisms for defending oneself, Mr. Swindle. Jesus Christ Himself resorted to responses of a similar sort many times throughout His earthly ministry in defending His disciples from the Pharisees&#8217; accusations of law-breaking.</p>
<p>&#8220;The issue here is this: is it appropriate to bring up the circumstances surrounding the death of Glenn Beckâ€™s mother? What purpose can this serve in todayâ€™s political dialogue?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take a crack at that second question&#8230;</p>
<p>If one has reason to believe that Beck&#8217;s own understanding of the situation is misguided, then others who are intently watch-dogging him can make the following claim: &#8216;Well since he was wrong about this little matter, he could be just as wrong (if not more so) about more pressing concerns.&#8217; And in light of this observation, the answer to the first question may well be &#8216;yes.&#8217; If it turns out that Beck is lying about the circumstances surrounding his mother&#8217;s death, that could cause people to question whether he is being truthful about other worldly matters.</p>
<p>Of course, determining WHETHER Beck is lying is an entirely different matter, one that neither I nor Mr. Krepel nor Mr. Swindle &#8212; or anyone else but Mr. Beck himself &#8212; can determine with certainty.</p>
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