Comments on: David Frum Continues to Promote Big Government Conservatism http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/ Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:57:57 -0400 hourly 1 By: Walt http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/#comment-14115 Walt Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:05:01 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=10029#comment-14115 David Frum is about as much of a conservative as David Brooks or Andrew Sullivan. His prescription for the Republican Party is to be more like the Democratic Party, only not as much. It is a dispiriting and inane message to be giving. If someone genuinely felt the way David Frum felt, I would suggest that they join the Democratic Party, rather than join a fraudulent organization, such as New Majority. Maybe, Mr. Frum could find a job with Media Matters. David Frum is about as much of a conservative as David Brooks or Andrew Sullivan. His prescription for the Republican Party is to be more like the Democratic Party, only not as much. It is a dispiriting and inane message to be giving. If someone genuinely felt the way David Frum felt, I would suggest that they join the Democratic Party, rather than join a fraudulent organization, such as New Majority. Maybe, Mr. Frum could find a job with Media Matters.

]]> By: Goliath Has Nothing to Fear from These Davids « Calvin Freiburger Online http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/#comment-14114 Goliath Has Nothing to Fear from These Davids « Calvin Freiburger Online Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:14:08 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=10029#comment-14114 [...] be surprised that David Frum is enamored — these days Frum dreams of a new conservatism that looks suspiciously like liberalism, and spends more time hyperventilating about TV personalities’ occasional missteps than [...] [...] be surprised that David Frum is enamored — these days Frum dreams of a new conservatism that looks suspiciously like liberalism, and spends more time hyperventilating about TV personalities’ occasional missteps than [...]

]]> By: Paul refers to the “Word of God” as “Him”—meaning a Person. He is the One to whom we must give account for everything we have done and said and thought. Additionally, the apostle John opens his Gospel with these words: †http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/#comment-14113 Paul refers to the “Word of God” as “Him”—meaning a Person. He is the One to whom we must give account for everything we have done and said and thought. Additionally, the apostle John opens his Gospel with these words: †Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:12:52 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=10029#comment-14113 [...] David Frum continues to support big government conservatism [...] [...] David Frum continues to support big government conservatism [...]

]]> By: Mark J. Koenig http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/#comment-14106 Mark J. Koenig Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:21:25 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=10029#comment-14106 No argument with you there, Michael. No argument with you there, Michael.

]]> By: PoliGazette » Is David Frum Determined to Take Down Conservatism? http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/#comment-14112 PoliGazette » Is David Frum Determined to Take Down Conservatism? Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:24:48 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=10029#comment-14112 [...] my latest post for David Horowitz’s NewsRealblog, I take David Frum to task for criticizing Glenn Beck and [...] [...] my latest post for David Horowitz’s NewsRealblog, I take David Frum to task for criticizing Glenn Beck and [...]

]]> By: Michael van der Galien http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/#comment-14111 Michael van der Galien Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:47:30 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=10029#comment-14111 Thank you very much Mark! Yes, we agree on that part of the debate. That does not mean conservatism doesn't have any problems: it does. First and foremost the individuals who profess to adhere to conservative values but who forget that the very moment they take office. But there is more wrong with the conservative movement in America, I believe: articulation. Having a good, positive message and clear, understandable conservative policy plans AND (this is a Major issue nowadays, in my humble opinion) communicating those plans with the public. American conservatives have to relearn the art of explaining why conservative policies are good for EVERYbody. And then, once in power, they will have to actually implement those specific plans and CUT the size of government, instead of merely stalling its growth. If they do not, voters will fall for fake moderate Dems like Obama time and again. Lastly: if Frum would just call for more creativity in order for conservatives to develop policies that deal with todays problems, people would be wise to listen to him. Bur that isnt what hes saying. He wants you guys to redefine the principles that form the foundation of Anglo-Saxon conservatism. And that, it seems to me, is a tragic mistake because those principles arent some nice and fancy ideas but laws that govern the universe. Unless Frum can change natural law itself, his attempts to redefine American conservatism arent just in vain but even counterproductive. Thank you very much Mark!

Yes, we agree on that part of the debate. That does not mean conservatism doesn’t have any problems: it does. First and foremost the individuals who profess to adhere to conservative values but who forget that the very moment they take office.

But there is more wrong with the conservative movement in America, I believe: articulation. Having a good, positive message and clear, understandable conservative policy plans AND (this is a Major issue nowadays, in my humble opinion) communicating those plans with the public. American conservatives have to relearn the art of explaining why conservative policies are good for EVERYbody. And then, once in power, they will have to actually implement those specific plans and CUT the size of government, instead of merely stalling its growth. If they do not, voters will fall for fake moderate Dems like Obama time and again.

Lastly: if Frum would just call for more creativity in order for conservatives to develop policies that deal with todays problems, people would be wise to listen to him.

Bur that isnt what hes saying. He wants you guys to redefine the principles that form the foundation of Anglo-Saxon conservatism. And that, it seems to me, is a tragic mistake because those principles arent some nice and fancy ideas but laws that govern the universe.

Unless Frum can change natural law itself, his attempts to redefine American conservatism arent just in vain but even counterproductive.

]]> By: Art Telles http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/#comment-14110 Art Telles Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:21:17 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=10029#comment-14110 'Circling the Drain of Irrelevance'... Who told Pres. GWBush to verbalize the silly idea that to save the free market system he, Bush, had to abandon free market principles? Was that Frum, or one of the other guys in the White House cocoon? Recently we find out that Frum had big time company in the White House cocoon, and that Pres. GWBush also did not really appreciate 'those conservatives' in the Republican Party... So, does 'those conservatives' include Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Laura Ingraham et al... and by extension Ronald Reagan and 'we the people'... whom Pres. GWBush did not appreciate? Maybe David Frum can fill us in on this recent revelation about Pres. GWBush's true feelings about conservatives... before Frum and Bush go down the drain of irrelevance. ‘Circling the Drain of Irrelevance’…

Who told Pres. GWBush to verbalize the silly idea that to save the free market system he, Bush, had to abandon free market principles? Was that Frum, or one of the other guys in the White House cocoon?

Recently we find out that Frum had big time company in the White House cocoon, and that Pres. GWBush also did not really appreciate ‘those conservatives’ in the Republican Party…

So, does ‘those conservatives’ include Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Laura Ingraham et al… and by extension Ronald Reagan and ‘we the people’… whom Pres. GWBush did not appreciate?

Maybe David Frum can fill us in on this recent revelation about Pres. GWBush’s true feelings about conservatives… before Frum and Bush go down the drain of irrelevance.

]]> By: jbtrevor http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/#comment-14109 jbtrevor Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:24:02 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=10029#comment-14109 Actually Frum's problem is not being able "identify" at all. Having left the cocoon of the Bush White House, he's finding it difficult to find a place and unfortunately a talented writer is circling the drain of irrelevance. Who knows, maybe that 's a good thing. Actually Frum’s problem is not being able “identify” at all. Having left the cocoon of the Bush White House, he’s finding it difficult to find a place and unfortunately a talented writer is circling the drain of irrelevance. Who knows, maybe that ’s a good thing.

]]> By: Mark http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/#comment-14108 Mark Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:24:33 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=10029#comment-14108 Thank you Michael, and welcome to the Newsreal community. I couldn’t agree more with your assessment of Frum. He has consistently championed this absurd idea that conservatism needs to be redefined. No, it doesn’t. Frum and his ilk got EXACTLY what they wanted with the nomination of John McCain, and we see where that got the Republican Party. Now this same group of pseudo-conservatives, with whom I would include Bill Kristol, David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, and sometimes even Charles Krauthammer, wants to disregard this obvious rebuke to their flawed ideas and press on with the notion that we conservatives need to be more civil and well-mannered. Poppycock. I can’t quite understand what motivates this group. They would have Colin Powell as the new spokesman for conservatism, playing right into the hands of the left. What the hell are they thinking? As David Horowitz has repeatedly pointed out to his consternation and ours, Republicans and conservatives in general simply don’t understand political warfare. They don’t. So when they attempt to throw some of our most potent political forces under the bus, or marginalize them – as they continue to attempt with Sarah Palin, THEY are the ones doing conservatism a serious disservice. Thank you Michael, and welcome to the Newsreal community. I couldn’t agree more with your assessment of Frum. He has consistently championed this absurd idea that conservatism needs to be redefined. No, it doesn’t. Frum and his ilk got EXACTLY what they wanted with the nomination of John McCain, and we see where that got the Republican Party. Now this same group of pseudo-conservatives, with whom I would include Bill Kristol, David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, and sometimes even Charles Krauthammer, wants to disregard this obvious rebuke to their flawed ideas and press on with the notion that we conservatives need to be more civil and well-mannered. Poppycock. I can’t quite understand what motivates this group. They would have Colin Powell as the new spokesman for conservatism, playing right into the hands of the left. What the hell are they thinking? As David Horowitz has repeatedly pointed out to his consternation and ours, Republicans and conservatives in general simply don’t understand political warfare. They don’t. So when they attempt to throw some of our most potent political forces under the bus, or marginalize them – as they continue to attempt with Sarah Palin, THEY are the ones doing conservatism a serious disservice.

]]> By: Mark http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/30/david-frum-continues-to-promote-big-government-conservatism/#comment-14107 Mark Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:20:01 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=10029#comment-14107 Thank you Michael, and welcome to the Newsreal community. I couldn't agree more with your assessment of Frum. He has consistently championed this absurd idea that conservatism needs to be redefined. No, it doesn't. Frum and his ilk got EXACTLY what they wanted with the nomination of John McCain, and we see where that got the Republican Party. Now this same group of pseudo-conservatives, with whom I would include Bill Kristol, David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, and sometimes even Charles Krauthammer, wants to disregard this obvious rebuke to their flawed ideas and press on with the notion that we conservatives need to be more civil and well-mannered. Poppycock. I can't quite understand what motivates this group. They would have Colin Powell as the new spokesman for conservatism, playing right into the hands of the left. What the hell are they thinking? As David Horowitz has repeatedly pointed out to his consternation and ours, Republicans and conservatives in general simply don't understand political warfare. They don't. So when they attempt to throw some of our most potent political forces under the bus, or marginalize them - as they continue to attempt with Sarah Palin, THEY are the ones doing conservatism a serious disservice. Thank you Michael, and welcome to the Newsreal community. I couldn’t agree more with your assessment of Frum. He has consistently championed this absurd idea that conservatism needs to be redefined. No, it doesn’t. Frum and his ilk got EXACTLY what they wanted with the nomination of John McCain, and we see where that got the Republican Party. Now this same group of pseudo-conservatives, with whom I would include Bill Kristol, David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, and sometimes even Charles Krauthammer, wants to disregard this obvious rebuke to their flawed ideas and press on with the notion that we conservatives need to be more civil and well-mannered. Poppycock. I can’t quite understand what motivates this group. They would have Colin Powell as the new spokesman for conservatism, playing right into the hands of the left. What the hell are they thinking? As David Horowitz has repeatedly pointed out to his consternation and ours, Republicans and conservatives in general simply don’t understand political warfare. They don’t. So when they attempt to throw some of our most potent political forces under the bus, or marginalize them – as they continue to attempt with Sarah Palin, THEY are the ones doing conservatism a serious disservice.

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