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	<title>Comments on: Salon Screeches Intellectual Ad Hominems in Smear of Beck, Horowitz, and Conservatism</title>
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		<title>By: Why Does Michael Moore Want the Afghan People Living As Slaves Under Sharia Law? Because He and Other &#8220;Progressives&#8221; are Greedy &#171; NewsReal Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/20/salon-screeches-intellectual-ad-hominems-in-smear-of-beck-horowitz-and-conservatism/#comment-11112</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Does Michael Moore Want the Afghan People Living As Slaves Under Sharia Law? Because He and Other &#8220;Progressives&#8221; are Greedy &#171; NewsReal Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think we should fight in Afghanistan? Then you go over there and fight.&#8221; This is, of course, an ad hominem logical fallacy, but as I&#8217;ve demonstrated before true believers of all ideologies fail to grasp the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] think we should fight in Afghanistan? Then you go over there and fight.&#8221; This is, of course, an ad hominem logical fallacy, but as I&#8217;ve demonstrated before true believers of all ideologies fail to grasp the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leaping Back to the Founding &#171; NewsReal Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leaping Back to the Founding &#171; NewsReal Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] defending Glenn Beck from the Left&#8217;s radical assault one of the arguments that needed to be rebutted involved the book The 5000 Year Leap by W. Cleon [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leaping Back to the Founding, Part 1: The Left Really Reveals Its Hatred of the American Idea &#171; NewsReal Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/20/salon-screeches-intellectual-ad-hominems-in-smear-of-beck-horowitz-and-conservatism/#comment-11110</link>
		<dc:creator>Leaping Back to the Founding, Part 1: The Left Really Reveals Its Hatred of the American Idea &#171; NewsReal Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the campaign against Glenn Beck, one of the angles pursued in ad hominem smears against the popular Fox News host has been to play up his promotion of the work of conservative [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Julie Trevor</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/20/salon-screeches-intellectual-ad-hominems-in-smear-of-beck-horowitz-and-conservatism/#comment-11109</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
Now that Reader&#039;s Digest has gone lib and will soon be belly up, can I rely on you for the monthly &quot;It Pays to Enrich your Word Power&quot;?
LOL
Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
Now that Reader&#8217;s Digest has gone lib and will soon be belly up, can I rely on you for the monthly &#8220;It Pays to Enrich your Word Power&#8221;?<br />
LOL<br />
Julie</p>
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		<title>By: David Swindle</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Swindle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankfully Salon does not charge to read its articles.</description>
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		<title>By: David Swindle</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Swindle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Your Tu quoque argument against the Freedom Center is a form of ad hominem. And it&#039;s a pathetic one considering you fail to cite any facts to back up your smear.</description>
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<p>Your Tu quoque argument against the Freedom Center is a form of ad hominem. And it&#8217;s a pathetic one considering you fail to cite any facts to back up your smear.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people are curious where Beck gets his information and what he bases his more abstract assertions on. What I find ironic about your article, is that you accuse Salon of doing what Beck and FPM do on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people are curious where Beck gets his information and what he bases his more abstract assertions on. What I find ironic about your article, is that you accuse Salon of doing what Beck and FPM do on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the post I left with Salon.

Who&#039;s next?
obama has surrounded himself with dozens, if not hundreds, of radicals, communists and marxists. van jones is the first to go of many of his extreme, radical, left-wing, liberal advisors and czars.

obama supports:

1. universal socialist health care

2. reducing or eliminating medicare

3. bailouts of companies that in a true capitalistic society would be allowed to fail and go bankrupt which will be replaced by companies that are well managed and successful.

4. gun control and the elimination of the second amendment

5. infanticide and euthanasia

6. unlimited abortion through birth

7. the unfairness doctrine and the elimination of the free speech of his opponents

8. affirmative action giving jobs to the unqualified and taking jobs away from the qualified and giving college admittance to the unqualified and taking admittance away from the qualified

9. habeas corpus for guantanamo detainees

10. meeting with castro, chavex, jung il and ahmadinejad

11. medical marajuana and recreational cocaine use as evidenced by his own admission

12. giving amnesty to all 16 million illegal aliens and thus giving them free health care

13. giving driver&#039;s licenses to illegal aliens

14. giving welfare to illegal aliens

15. giving social security to illegal aliens

16. changing the Constitution at will, ignoring the founding fathers and making the Constitution a living document.

17. the annihilation of Israel

what we don&#039;t know about obama is how much he learned after 20 years from a crazed, maniacal, satanic preacher and what he now believes. we also don&#039;t know where he was really born. we don&#039;t know if his early childhood muslim indoctrination has so strangled his beliefs, that his real thoughts and goals are to aid and abet America&#039;s enemies.

Glenn Beck is simply trying to get into obama&#039;s head and find out what makes him tick. we need to know if obama is trying to dismantle capitalism and everything that is good and decent about this country. obama has surrounded himself with evil.

Glenn Beck has had a rotten life until the last few years but he loves our country and he wants to save our values, our freedom of religion, our inate goodness and help protect our people from our enemies. Glenn is just trying to find out if obama is the enemy of America.

what normally happens when a conservative dissents and is successful at rallying millions of people against a despot like obama, the attack dogs are called out to discredit the dissenter. this is a normal communist tactic. i am sure that zaitchik will be the first of many. i believe that Glenn can take it.

obama won his first election by having his lawyers knock all of his opponents off the ballot, just how far will obama go to stop Rush, Levin, Malkin, Coulter, Hannity, Savage, Gallagher, Medved, Morris, Goldberg, Boortz, Prager, Ingraham, the entire staff of the Wall Street Journal, Glenn Beck and thousands of

other journalists, talk show hosts and authors. everyone knows that the mainstream press and 6 of the 7 networks are

in obama&#039;s pocket and they are becoming good at hiding, spining and twisting things to make him look good.

the next few months of obama&#039;s administrating will be very interesting. i also anticipate that much of his marxist past will continue to bubble up and maybe shock even some liberals.

his numerous connections to radicals with bombs has not hurt up to now, but could in the future.

the investigating of the corrupt chicago machine that got obama elected senator has just started. his many years of shilling for acorn could come back to haunt him. who knows what America&#039;s real journalists are going to find. certainly zaitchik will never bother to look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the post I left with Salon.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s next?<br />
obama has surrounded himself with dozens, if not hundreds, of radicals, communists and marxists. van jones is the first to go of many of his extreme, radical, left-wing, liberal advisors and czars.</p>
<p>obama supports:</p>
<p>1. universal socialist health care</p>
<p>2. reducing or eliminating medicare</p>
<p>3. bailouts of companies that in a true capitalistic society would be allowed to fail and go bankrupt which will be replaced by companies that are well managed and successful.</p>
<p>4. gun control and the elimination of the second amendment</p>
<p>5. infanticide and euthanasia</p>
<p>6. unlimited abortion through birth</p>
<p>7. the unfairness doctrine and the elimination of the free speech of his opponents</p>
<p>8. affirmative action giving jobs to the unqualified and taking jobs away from the qualified and giving college admittance to the unqualified and taking admittance away from the qualified</p>
<p>9. habeas corpus for guantanamo detainees</p>
<p>10. meeting with castro, chavex, jung il and ahmadinejad</p>
<p>11. medical marajuana and recreational cocaine use as evidenced by his own admission</p>
<p>12. giving amnesty to all 16 million illegal aliens and thus giving them free health care</p>
<p>13. giving driver&#8217;s licenses to illegal aliens</p>
<p>14. giving welfare to illegal aliens</p>
<p>15. giving social security to illegal aliens</p>
<p>16. changing the Constitution at will, ignoring the founding fathers and making the Constitution a living document.</p>
<p>17. the annihilation of Israel</p>
<p>what we don&#8217;t know about obama is how much he learned after 20 years from a crazed, maniacal, satanic preacher and what he now believes. we also don&#8217;t know where he was really born. we don&#8217;t know if his early childhood muslim indoctrination has so strangled his beliefs, that his real thoughts and goals are to aid and abet America&#8217;s enemies.</p>
<p>Glenn Beck is simply trying to get into obama&#8217;s head and find out what makes him tick. we need to know if obama is trying to dismantle capitalism and everything that is good and decent about this country. obama has surrounded himself with evil.</p>
<p>Glenn Beck has had a rotten life until the last few years but he loves our country and he wants to save our values, our freedom of religion, our inate goodness and help protect our people from our enemies. Glenn is just trying to find out if obama is the enemy of America.</p>
<p>what normally happens when a conservative dissents and is successful at rallying millions of people against a despot like obama, the attack dogs are called out to discredit the dissenter. this is a normal communist tactic. i am sure that zaitchik will be the first of many. i believe that Glenn can take it.</p>
<p>obama won his first election by having his lawyers knock all of his opponents off the ballot, just how far will obama go to stop Rush, Levin, Malkin, Coulter, Hannity, Savage, Gallagher, Medved, Morris, Goldberg, Boortz, Prager, Ingraham, the entire staff of the Wall Street Journal, Glenn Beck and thousands of</p>
<p>other journalists, talk show hosts and authors. everyone knows that the mainstream press and 6 of the 7 networks are</p>
<p>in obama&#8217;s pocket and they are becoming good at hiding, spining and twisting things to make him look good.</p>
<p>the next few months of obama&#8217;s administrating will be very interesting. i also anticipate that much of his marxist past will continue to bubble up and maybe shock even some liberals.</p>
<p>his numerous connections to radicals with bombs has not hurt up to now, but could in the future.</p>
<p>the investigating of the corrupt chicago machine that got obama elected senator has just started. his many years of shilling for acorn could come back to haunt him. who knows what America&#8217;s real journalists are going to find. certainly zaitchik will never bother to look.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Trevor</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/20/salon-screeches-intellectual-ad-hominems-in-smear-of-beck-horowitz-and-conservatism/#comment-11104</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack
Re using the NYT&#039;s - LOL
Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack<br />
Re using the NYT&#8217;s &#8211; LOL<br />
Julie</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Rowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to my friend Dave Swindle&#039;s debate on the FFs &amp; religion...:

There is much confusion about the religious beliefs of Americaâ€™s FFs. While I canâ€™t prove all of them believed like John Adams did, I did see Mr. Lytle (the person against whom Dave argued) invoke John Adams for his side. Itâ€™s true Adams did think of himself as a â€œChristianâ€ and promoted â€œreligion and moralityâ€ as essential for republican government.

However, I seriously doubt J. Adams could pass Mr. Lytleâ€™s test for â€œa Christian.â€ Adams was most certainly NOT a â€œborn again, the Bible is the infallible Word of Godâ€ kind of Christian. Rather, he was a Da Vinci Code kind of Christian who mocked the idea that Jesus was God, 2nd person in the Trinity who made an infinite Atonement for man.

Hereâ€™s a â€œtasteâ€ of John Adamsâ€™ Christianity:

â€œAn incarnate God!!! An eternal, self-existent, omnipresent omniscient Author of this stupendous Universe, suffering on a Cross!!! My Soul starts with horror, at the Idea, and it has stupified the Christian World. It has been the Source of almost all of the Corruptions of Christianity.â€

â€“ John Adams to John Quincy Adams, March 28, 1816

I have much more.

On a personal note, does this disqualify J. Adams from being a &quot;Christian&quot;?  I think it all depends on what &quot;Christianity&quot; means to you.  A Mormon could read Adams&#039; quote, and though not 100% agree with it, and still more or less accept Adams as &quot;Christian&quot; because Mormons as well are non-Trinitarians.  Small o &quot;orthodox&quot; Christians of the Roman Catholic, evangelical/reformed Protestant, and capital O Orthodox bent, consider the Trinity CENTRAL to the definition of &quot;Christianity.&quot;  That&#039;s why John Adams and many other &quot;key Founders&quot; were not &quot;Christians&quot; from the perspective of evangelicals and other orthodox Christians.

This is an issue that David Barton is afraid to touch.  I have an open invitation to debate him on the radio; but he refuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to my friend Dave Swindle&#8217;s debate on the FFs &amp; religion&#8230;:</p>
<p>There is much confusion about the religious beliefs of Americaâ€™s FFs. While I canâ€™t prove all of them believed like John Adams did, I did see Mr. Lytle (the person against whom Dave argued) invoke John Adams for his side. Itâ€™s true Adams did think of himself as a â€œChristianâ€ and promoted â€œreligion and moralityâ€ as essential for republican government.</p>
<p>However, I seriously doubt J. Adams could pass Mr. Lytleâ€™s test for â€œa Christian.â€ Adams was most certainly NOT a â€œborn again, the Bible is the infallible Word of Godâ€ kind of Christian. Rather, he was a Da Vinci Code kind of Christian who mocked the idea that Jesus was God, 2nd person in the Trinity who made an infinite Atonement for man.</p>
<p>Hereâ€™s a â€œtasteâ€ of John Adamsâ€™ Christianity:</p>
<p>â€œAn incarnate God!!! An eternal, self-existent, omnipresent omniscient Author of this stupendous Universe, suffering on a Cross!!! My Soul starts with horror, at the Idea, and it has stupified the Christian World. It has been the Source of almost all of the Corruptions of Christianity.â€</p>
<p>â€“ John Adams to John Quincy Adams, March 28, 1816</p>
<p>I have much more.</p>
<p>On a personal note, does this disqualify J. Adams from being a &#8220;Christian&#8221;?  I think it all depends on what &#8220;Christianity&#8221; means to you.  A Mormon could read Adams&#8217; quote, and though not 100% agree with it, and still more or less accept Adams as &#8220;Christian&#8221; because Mormons as well are non-Trinitarians.  Small o &#8220;orthodox&#8221; Christians of the Roman Catholic, evangelical/reformed Protestant, and capital O Orthodox bent, consider the Trinity CENTRAL to the definition of &#8220;Christianity.&#8221;  That&#8217;s why John Adams and many other &#8220;key Founders&#8221; were not &#8220;Christians&#8221; from the perspective of evangelicals and other orthodox Christians.</p>
<p>This is an issue that David Barton is afraid to touch.  I have an open invitation to debate him on the radio; but he refuses.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I want to point out that Glenn Beck is a self-described LIBERTARIAN.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Smith, M.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Smith, M.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>W. Cleon Skousen had the &quot;Christian Anti-Communist Crusade&quot; on channel 2, San Francisco around 1960. Ronald Reagan made appearances, mc-ing and introducing Skousen. It was ennobling and inspiring, and gripping important television His main headline was &quot;You Can Trust the Communists! To Do Exactly As They Say!&quot;
   Glad to see his arguments are upheld half-century on. The same time saw J. Edgar Hoover&#039;s book, &quot;Masters of Deceit&quot;, about the filthy commie rats-more excellence. With these demrats the greatest crime is to be anti-Communist. So true now, it was true when David Horowitz&#039; parents made him march to save the Rosenbergs.
Mike Smith, M.A.
Kelly&#039;s Cove
San Francisco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W. Cleon Skousen had the &#8220;Christian Anti-Communist Crusade&#8221; on channel 2, San Francisco around 1960. Ronald Reagan made appearances, mc-ing and introducing Skousen. It was ennobling and inspiring, and gripping important television His main headline was &#8220;You Can Trust the Communists! To Do Exactly As They Say!&#8221;<br />
   Glad to see his arguments are upheld half-century on. The same time saw J. Edgar Hoover&#8217;s book, &#8220;Masters of Deceit&#8221;, about the filthy commie rats-more excellence. With these demrats the greatest crime is to be anti-Communist. So true now, it was true when David Horowitz&#8217; parents made him march to save the Rosenbergs.<br />
Mike Smith, M.A.<br />
Kelly&#8217;s Cove<br />
San Francisco</p>
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