Is Glenn Beck a Disciple of Crackpot Ron Paul?
In the recent dialogue between David Frum and David Horowitz about the place of Glenn Beck and other bold talkers in the Conservative Movement Frum shot out a claim which threw Horowitz off guard:
Third – how do we define “our side� Horowitz harshly condemns Obama appointee Van Jones. Van Jones was eventually forced to resign not because of any of the allegations Glenn Beck hurled at him, but because the Gateway Pundit blog unearthed evidence that Van Jones had consorted with 9/11 denialists. So that’s the other side, right? Except… the American politician who most closely associates with 9/11 denialists is Congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul. And who acts as Paul’s chief TV enthusiast and publicist? Glenn Beck of course.
Horowitz was puzzled by Frum’s charge that Beck embraced the embarrassing Paul:
Ron Paul is a crackpot, a conspiracy nut and a public menace. His crank views of the economy have a lot of Republicans snookered enough to ignore the fact that he is an anti-Semite and an America-hater — fundamentally at odds with America’s role in the world as the guardian of freedom. I have to confess that I am not familiar with Beck’s promotion of Paul. If David wants to engage this I would have to review Beck’s statements about Paul first.
So let’s review Beck’s statements on Paul a bit and see if Frum was correct in grouping Beck with the kooks of the Whack-Job Right.
Well there’s this clip here from 2007 (a little bit dated) that could hardly be called positive publicity. In it Beck associates Paul’s army of supporters with domestic terrorism (Horowitz is also featured):
This particular episode — as well as Beck’s other departures from Paul’s warped ideology — have incurred him the wrath of Paul’s conspiracist Right followers. Just today the charlatan conspiracy broadcaster and 9/11 Truther Alex Jones wrote an open letter to Beck in which he excoriated him for his attacks on Paul:
In addition, you aggressively attacked Ron Paul and his supporters during the election campaign when it looked like the Texan Congressman might have a real chance of winning the nomination. You implied that Ron Paul supporters were domestic terrorists and should be dealt with by the U.S. Army, but later tried to side with Ron Paul supporters when the infamous and discredited MIAC report echoed your own talking point that people who support Ron Paul were dangerous.
The smear came during a November 2007 show when you were still hosting on CNN. Yourself and ex-Marxist David Horowitz smeared Ron Paul supporters, libertarians and the anti-war left as terrorist sympathizers and inferred that the U.S. military should be used to silence them, parroting a talking point that traces back to a September 2006 White House directive. When asked about the issue, Ron Paul dismissed you as “pretty discourteous†and a “demagogueâ€.
But Jones must have missed a more recent interview Beck conducted with Paul in January of 2008. In it Beck is respectful while still noting his strong disagreements with Paul:
GLENN: Yes, I would. Yes, I would. [Claiming that he would interview Paul if he ran as a third-party candidate in the 2008 election.] You know what, I’m very offended by some of your supporters because they always say that, you know, I won’t listen to you or I won’t have you. I’m probably the guy on talk radio, mainstream talk radio that will at least say I agree with you on a lot of things. I just disagree with you vehemently on others.
PAUL: And I appreciate that.
GLENN: I mean, you know, we just — I just happen to disagree with you, but I respect you, sir, for your opinion. I have said this, you know, behind your back. So let me say it to your face. I think you are the closest we have running to a founding father. You seem to be the only guy who has actually read the federalist papers. So I appreciate your efforts, sir.
So Beck, “Paul’s chief TV enthusiast and publicist,” disagrees with Paul “vehemently” on many issues. Who’s Frum kidding here? What’s Beck’s crime regarding Paul? Being too nice and respectful to him? Actually engaging Paul in intellectual discussion and admitting that he might agree with him on some issues?
Maybe it’s just me but perhaps Frum’s attempt to mislead his center-right readership at New Majority about Beck’s views in order to banish him from Conservatism is a far greater offense.
I doubt Jefferson, Washington or any of the other founders would agree that America is the world’s “guardian of freedom.” Horowitz and Frum are completely fake conservatives that want to play global policeman with other people’s money and blood. I’m sure their plan in Afghanistan will soon lead to a pluralistic democratic republic.
The classical conservatism you describe became completely irrelevant on Dec 7, 1941. First to fight the NAZIs, then the Cold War. The new Right and Left coalitions are still redefining themselves, 20 years later.
Frum is part of the problem, not the solution. Is Beck 100% right all the time? No, he tries to get it right and offers self-correction when he is wrong; he even admits that he doesn’t like being the loudest screamer in the room. That said, he is the most courageous member of the media in at least a generation (no offense to you, David) . He is pulling back the reality on just who is in the White House, and I believe if it was a white GOP guy who was this rotton, he would be doing the same thing to that idiot.
Beck personally knows what ‘friendly’ bums like Frum will do to try and destroy him (and not simply discredit him, since they have nothing to argue about his often-accurate viewpoints). So for Beck’s hard work in exposing the truth, the media on both sides tries to equate him with McCarthy in terms of his influence and will give every baseless, senseless, mindless accusation under the sun to try and shut him up. My guess is that he’ll probably pay for his courage with his life; and if the rest of us get out this thing alive, perhaps he will be remembered as a patriot.
Meanwhile, the community organizer Obama continues to divide America, over and over and over, and regular people are not happy with him as a leader or his caricature of them as a people. The Attorney General has become a politcal adjunct to his agenda, they bought the banks (for the wealthy) and the automakers (for the unions), and getting ready to destroy the world’s greatest health system. Then his side says anyone who disagrees with them are racists and censures those who dare call him out. These are very dangerous charges.
We should all be very afraid right now – the pin is now out of the grenade and it’s rolling around on the floor, and there doesn’t appear to be anyway to throw it harmlessly out the window. In my opinion, we are reaching a point of no return here…
Or maybe Frum doesn’t understand America/Americans -
Both Frum and Horowitz make the mistake of confusing “anti-semitism” with “anti-Zionism”. They falsely conflate “pro-American” with ‘pro-Israel”. And they and their neo-conservative ilk, dating all the way back to Horowitz’s fellow traveler Leo Strauss, have allowed the concept of America’s role as the guardian of freedom to allow America to be turned into a patsy of a world unwilling to spend what is necessary to defend its own freedom.
David Horowitz has a pro-American epiphany at the age of… what… 48?… and he thinks he has the standing to question the motives of a Congressman who stood four-square against the corruption of the conservative movement? Ron Paul served his country in uniform, while you were actively plotting its downfall with the likes of William Ayres and Bernadine Dorhn. Your currency with the Right, Mr. Horowitz, is less than what you used to (still?) fill your red diaper with.
We know where Horowitz’s loyalties lie, and they aren’t with America. When you have spent as much time defending America as you spent defiling it, come talk to us. Until then, sit down, STFU, and thank your lucky stars for patriots like Ron Paul.
uhhh, JR, Thomas Jefferson took on the Barbary Pirates…
David Frum’s more intellectually holy than thou act is getting really really old. This is a great piece, showing him to be as careless with accusations and guilt by association as he accuses the less cool conservatives than him of being.
It’s tough to take seriously an article with “crackpot” in the headline. I turned off right there. Ron Paul is in no way deserving of that label. I hardly agree with him on every point; his foreign policy is a bit naive, in my opinion. But I would rather see more people like him elected to office than most of the folks we have now. He genuinely believes in the Constitution, and the principles upon which it and other founding documents are based.
I would not want a government that conformed entirely to Paul’s will. But we have to look at the momentum of history. We’re headed off a cliff with the pedal to the medal. Paul’s politics are the emergency brake. When we get to the point where we have an excess of personal liberty and isolationism, we can deal with that at the time. But let’s wait until we get there first, shall we?
The hidden agenda, the half truth, the flat out lie, party politics, guile.
The word “politician” means decision for the good of the party first, for the good of people – maybe second, this is not, will not, ever be good enough, where is truth, honour, integrity?
We are now forced to look behind every word and deed from politicians for the real story, that is what it has come to, and not just in the U.S but everywhere.
God help us.
I always read these arguments with genuine interest and still a very real sense of personal involvement. I was a fairly conventional Conservative Republican in the early 1960s – until I met someone who exposed me to Libertarianism and ALL that entailed. I even spent two weeks during two summer breaks at the Freedom School in Colorado; and in the course of that “indoctrination” and on many other occasions, I met or learned about the most important ideologues of that early (late 50s – mid-60s) period when the ideology, focused primarily on economic & political theory (particularly the Austrian School), began what would become its almost “eternal struggle:” Namely, could/should it become a political party, or remain mainly a political & economic ideology?
And now, we come to another “eternal” argument: Namely, those who try to separate out their anti-Zionist (Israeli) sentiments from what they claim to be non-existent anti-Semitic views. We DO have a spiritual and historical connection to the State of Israel, but the Jimmy Carters and Ron Pauls of this world do not see that symbiotic connection. So, the rift between these two factions on the Right (Republicanism & Libertarianism) continues apace.
And that’s why I’m in total sync with Horowitz. He knows the Left and now more fully understands & appreciates the Right. And with the growing threat of Radical Islam, the pussyfooting naivete of Libertarianism is foolish policy and no credible defense against the Third Jihad.
Over time, I moved away from the idea of “pure” libertarianism and more or less back to my old Conservative Republicanism and all that entailed – militarism, American exceptualism, global reach and global alliances for trade as well as war. And as areas of the world heated up, I found it hard to remain detached both figuratively and literally. Finally, with the attacks of 9-11, that sealed my political party fate: I could no longer be a part of an isolationist foreign policy. The USA simply had to get involved: Our sworn enemy was already in so many other countries and part of the world. There was work to be done!
@jr -Jefferson was responsible for ‘to the shores of Tripoli’.
I can’t say if Ron Paul is truly a crackpot… but what separates him from the word conservative or libertarian is the FACT of his taking donations from Don Black/Stormfront, knowing it and not getting rid of the funds and separating himself from any connection to such morons. The fact that he consciously defended this action put a very wrong pigment into his custom crafted paint.
One can be right about some things which are wrong here ..and still be in the wrong as a complete proposition. If Beck rejected Paul as early as 2007, good for him and his judgment.
Good post, David.
“Maybe it’s just me but perhaps Frum’s attempt to mislead his center-right readership at New Majority about Beck’s views in order to banish him from Conservatism is a far greater offense.”
I concur. Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs is also attacking Beck, although much more viciously than Frum and he often uses dubious sources with the same agenda he has. Then again, LGF is no longer a center conservative/centrist site, and has lurched heavily to the left (actually, that may be an understatement but this isn’t about Charles Johnson).
In any sense, thank you, for as your post proves, there is nothing indicating that Beck is a supporter or promoter of Ron Paul. Civility and courtesy is not proof of anything other than…civility and courtesy. Frum marginalizes himself further with his dopey claims as his credibility lies smoldering in the trash heap of his own lies.
It’s all about credibility when I hear smears of David, Beck, Limbaugh, Malkin, etc., from people like Frum or Johnson, and they are both found severely lacking in the credibility department.
I will take time to research a claim or a charge, if credible sources (such as you all here) verify it with evidence. Otherwise, I tend to ignore the Frum’s and Johnson’s that are either deluded, mean-spirited, or looking for an increase in traffic by using dishonest claims.
In case you missed it, this is an excellent discourse on Frum…
http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=36275
Paul’s faults?:
He wants to abolish the Federal Reserve Act. As long as this country is under the Fed it is doomed and that is undisputable.
His ‘real’ fault is that he talked about the Jews. The facts are that the Fed, the Bank of England, the banks of the European Uniion, the IMF, and the World Bank are all OWNED by Jews.
Anyone who states these facts is obviously anti-Semetic; whatever that is. Thusly, count me as an anti-Semetic I guess. The Fed has to go.
Glenn Beck falls short, I feel, because he does not mention the abolition of the Fed and the repudiation of the purported ‘national debt’; whatever the ‘debt’is.
The last two ‘presidents’ who challenged the Fed were Nixon and JFK.
“crack·pot
n.
An eccentric person, especially one with bizarre ideas.
adj.
Foolish; harebrained: a crackpot notion.
Congressman Paul clearly fits the definition.”
So does Keith. Is it just me, or do Ron Paulians all sit around constantly googling “Ron Paul” in the hopes of finding another blog to promote and defend his crackpot ideas?
It would appear that Frum has difficulty with the truth as well.
Even before I started reading the comments, I knew the first thing I saw would be a Ronulan spouting venomous nonsense about how Horowitz (who, BTW, wink-wink, is one of those Jooos) and anyone reading this website supports the neoconservative conspiracy to establish a New World Order for the Jooos.
JR, Keith, et al – please lose this URL – I don’t want to see any more of your Protocols of the Elders Meets Oliver Stone claptrap here. I can get that by reading your comments on the Human Events website with the added entertainment of laughing at your buddy Pat Buchanan spouting the same nonsense.
It’s not the fault of the “Jewish-run media” that Ron Paul can’t win elections. It just might have something to do with lending his name to and soliciting the support of Stormfront-style right-fringe nutters who sound very much like yourselves.
I’m sick and tired of you clowns sitting in your underoos in mommy’s basement trolling every blog on the internet for another opportunity to spew your pontificating, self-justifying, circularly-argued Truther nonsense whenever someone mentions your Beloved Leader’s name.
A real “Founding Father” doesn’t need a personality cult that would make the Dali Bama or Castro blush. Rugged individualists my a$$ (dollar signs – could mean I’m a Jew – or a Mason – quick, start Googling my name) – you are the same leader-seeking lemmings that have given us every dictatorship in human history.
I have to agree with W.S. Hudson. More so, this thread is like watching the conservatives eat their own. There could be blog after blog about Ron Paul’s feelings on the financial crisis facing this nation, and we all would agree… yet we are stuck in this side show?
For example, I honestly don’t care that Van Jones was a truther, or that he called republicans a-holes, that was all a side show. However, I’m completely opposed to his fundamental beliefs about the individual and government and to me that is where he crossed the line.
Ron Paul, on the other hand, might have some views that are being called “crackpot”, but doesn’t his principles fall on the same side as ours? Why do find ourselves fretting over the cricket when there is an elephant in the room?
Samuel
Wyoming
Ron Paul has more common sense in the tip of his little finger that the majority of the members of congress and especially President Obama. We, the people, need Ron Paul as the next President of the United States.
It’s time we get rid of the so-called “Czars”. Sounds like Communist Russia to me.
Glenn Beck should be commended for his tough stance against the evil, deranged 9/11 “truth” movement. Ron Paul played footsies with those fact-free psychos, occasionally offering a disclaimer to establish his own sanity. Fox’s Judge Andrew Napolitano once referred to the “great” Alex Jones, and he was being serious. Excuse me? Alex Jones?? THE Alex Jones???
Can we get a complete listing of those on the “Whack Job Right?” Perhaps an article, David?
The scumbling of the terms anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is the first refuge of the anti-semite, in my experience anyway. I’ve listened to Paul and believe he’s an anti-Semite.
Your defense of Beck against association with the Paul-istinians is interesting.
After seeing this clip – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgYKgtKJKnU – of Beck apparently joining the “American empire caused 9/11″ crowd, I’m not certain it is entirely warranted.
Samuel
People are just giving there opinion none of the comments mean we are going to rush out and vote for Dick Durbin or work to pass Crap & Trade. It is just difficult to take some serious that thinks we blew up our own people on 9/11.
Ron Paul President? No I want the old WWF wrestler and former Gov of Minn. Or to go even further why not Dan Rather?
I know the during the election any poll that was conducted the Paul supporters tried to foul it. Anyone that did not agree with there guy they attacked mercilessly. If you do not agree then you are the enemy.
I have a serious question, were the birchers the ones that would accost you at the airports? I think they were I arrested one in Chicago for threatening an officer But he pled guilty and I did not have to return for any trial. I refused a donation.
After Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor we declared war on Japan and did so justly. The next day Germany declared war on the US. I cannot say for sure if we new what the Germans were doing to the Jewish people but if we did and sat out the War with out attempting to stop it We would have had a moral stain left on this country I believe decent people would have found difficult to live with. Our parents stopped the second greatest evil the world had ever known. The greatest evil is at hand now and must be stopped and that is Islamic terrorist.
Mr. Swindle
You left out the Aluminate also the Shriner conspiracy to take over the world they even have there own motorcycles.
“Jewish Banker” realm? I don’t understand my banker is a Methodist.
Samuel
I have not attacked Glen Beck period when Paul entertained the idea that 9/11 was done by the Bush administration I knew then he was a crackpot. His idea that we should sit back and give up Isreal to the thugs and killers let me know he is a crack pot not to mention other comments he has made reference the Jews lets me know he is a crackpot. I can see you have your opinion and I have mine if Paul runs again you are well with in your right to vote for him but do not wait for him to be taking the oath of office anytime in your future.
I held my nose and voted for McStain just like his mother said I would do. Had Paul been the nominee I would have Voted for him it would have been a much greater loss than we had. Paul never had a chance and the crappers could have yelled that they really had a mandate the defeat would have been so lopsided.
Glenn Beck–Ron Paul “closest to founding fathers”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3q7TxZjJas
Listen to Glenn comment on foreign policy in this clip. Our little boy is growing up – he clearly advocates non-interventionism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phUxP_br-zI
Ever notice how when one party gets into power it starts acting exactly like the party that was just kicked out of office? Previously it was the liberals who “hated America”, now it’s the conservatives. Previously, liberals “supported terrorists” and “hated Israel”, and again, now it is the conservatives.
The fact is that whatever party is in power uses that power to push the nastiest parts of it’s agenda, which inevitably means increasing it’s own power. It’s only when they are out of power that they see the folly of those actions. Once they win again, they immediately forget about it.
Ron Paul is the only honest and consistent politician in Washington. He voted against the war of false premises that has killed more Americans than 9/11 (not to mention ruining our national reputation). He is against the use of torture unconditionally. He is against militaristic empires. The left LOVED him for these views…when they were in the minority. Now, of course, he hates America. Great. Thanks for the journalistic integrity. Enjoy the coming equilibrium between Soviet and Fascist America. You helped build it.
Here’s a shoe.
Actually, those on the “Wack-Job Right†are those who accuse others of embracing conspiracy theories, racism, anti-Semitism, theocracy, and calling sound money a crackpot ideas instead of trying to develop the mental capacity to address actual political philosophical differences.
Trust me. It fits.
Ron Paul anti-semite? Lets look at that.
Ron Paul had a decades long friendship with Milton Friedman. Went into business with Burt Blumert. Wrote a book with Lewis Lehrman. Henry Hazlitt wrote the introduction to one of his books and Murray Rothbard the preface for the same book. Finally he has a picture of Ludwig von Mises hanging in his Washington office. What do all these men have in common?? They’re all Jews.
His crank economic views? They are?
I guess Henry Hazlitt the author of the biggest selling economics book of all time, “Economics in One Lesson” still in publication after 63 years must be a crank too. Because Hazlitt and Paul’s views are the same.
“Ron Paul is fundamentally at odds with America’s role in the world as the guardian of freedom.”
He is? I guess since Ron Paul has been proven right that the Iraq war would be a disaster not only for the country but the Republican party he is now an American hater too.
IMO, Horowitz has gone over the cliff. He’s still a leftist at heart.
I find it amazing that the post’s here are from peeps that are still stuck in the Left & Right. You poor souls look what you have done to yourselves & others. Your mostly Welfare or Warfare minded not Free markets not Free thinking unless its in the Left or Right. The reason for the Great USA’s Failures is that these two parties have destroyed American minds they destroyed the education the Money is counterfeit you have no real wealth other than Debt which is not wealth. They stole the Gold & Silver and gave you Paper & Ink and you defend this?. Dr Paul talks on Principals of sound money a humble foreign policy to mind our own business to trade & be friends never allowing for a war to be the ultimate end. You morons have no hope nor change is your goal only the self only the two party system of illusion.
Tom
Let me urge you to give up what ever it is you are smoking. There is help out there.
Angela
I can only assume that you are abusing a substance or have a comprehention problem. I never said that Paul blamed 9/11 on Bush. Mr.Swindle remember my words that his tormentors will punish all that do not bow to there lord. They are as nuts as Paul and unworthy of response.
Godalmighty I warned you they are loose and now we do not have enough people with nets. It is cracking me up just reading the nutsy coo coo.Damn it is so funny. I knew it as sure as the sun comes up. I am rolling.
Send in the Clowns!lololol
Ron Paul has stated publicly that he does not believe that 9-11 was an “inside job.” The fact is that 9-11 Truthers are typically anti-big government, which is why there is a correlation between the Truthers and their affinity for Ron Paul.
The United States military is the last brick in the wall of institutions that the Left must conquer.
The left in this country KNOWS that they can never fully do what they want to do as long as the military is structured as it is: deeply patriotic, sworn to the Constitution and integrated into the social fabric of our society. The military is not fanatical enough, not robotic enough and not prone to the sort of rigid, mindless obedience that characterizes totalitarian societies.
The US military must be broken somehow. Defunded, de-armed and deconstructed. And gradually replaced with a “Civilian Volunteer Force” that is just as well-funded? If you don’t think the mighty US military is already under assault, and has been for decades, by the cultural Marxists, then investigate further.
Social changes, drawdowns, over-deployment, and now, under Obama, weapon system modernization defunded. Nuclear modernization and maintenance programs are being defunded. Now, Obama is the new UN Security Council chief. First item on his agenda: Nuclear disarmament. I’ll take a wild guess about who he wants to disarm.
Neoconservative republicans are not conservatives they are Trotskyites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcJLpP45x-4
Jonathan
The Jew hating Jimmy Carter tried to do the same thing. Ronald Reagan corrected it. It will be very difficult to destroy the military because a goodly portion of these folks are there because they want to serve and believe in what the country did and should represent. Most Special Forces people and I have known many are very devout as well. I will bet on these people any day.
Even if that were true the Birchers and there convict boss are still nuts.
I would bet on them too Jack. I’m career military myself and I can guarantee, any orders that violate the Constitution would not be obeyed by me .
That being said, I sure do hate to have a nagging sensation in the back of my mind that someone is trying to put as many of our guys in harm’s way in Afghanistan as possible. But, Pakistan is suddenly in danger of going Islamofacist (guess they forgot to mention that little problem in the news) and Iran is allegedly close to nukes and…
Anyway, I hope you are right and I am just stressed out.
What views? Most of them. I also did not like him excepting money from the Klan guy and again his cozy relationship with the truther nut balls. His comment that insinuated that for some reason we deserved 9/11. I really expect him to move to Colorado and take up residence with an ex college professor.
William
I am not aware of any war the US has fought on behalf of Israel they fight there own wars we provide them with some military aid and that is becoming less and less as they produce there own.
Hey David,
Here’s one of my many collected quotes using the term “New World Order”. It’s from a psychiatrist speaking about the value of behavioral modification in public education to affect globalism:
“One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order.”
K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
We all know it is those international JOOOOO bankers. They sunk the Titanic cause it was filled with gold that they got later with there secret submarine and they killed JFK and ole Abe Lincoln and do not forget it was really them that started the Vietnam War. Now they have done gone and floridated the damn water.
Here’s a quote by a Democrat President who today would be classified a “right wing conspiracy Kook” by the leftist press and it’s willing accomplices. It’s an exerpt of a speech to newspaper publishers in 1961:
“Today no war has been declared, and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired….
… For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence — on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations.”
John F. Kennedy
Mr. Swindle is right there are kooks on both sides I know I have arrested some of the worst and served FFJ warrants on them. But there are real conspiracies out there one was mentioned by Jonathan the anarchist that rioted in Washington and some of them violated federal law title 18 crossing state lines to engage in criminal behaviour. I have also served FFJ warrants on members of the Aryan Brotherhood that would make the rioters wet there pants. The thing is however not to go chasing everything as a conspiracyit just simply not always the Shriners conspiring to tell a dirty joke and I appreciate the fine work they do for children and contribute so I mean them no harm. Hell they even fed me one time.
Bernie
Lets hope that no one gets there education from you. Islam gegan in the seventh century. Yes we did not need to remove Al Quida from Afganistans Taliban refused to hand them over we should have just left it as a base to plan and launch more attacks against this country the last one killing in the area of three thousand people. I thonk maybe not sure but just maybe your post is a joke if so it is really ignorant and not funny. No Islam in 1776 yea education.
Julie
That was good very good.
I love how I am lumped in with 9/11 truthers, conspiracy theorists and other unsavory types because I don’t believe the founders had any interest in nation-building in countries with no history of representative government. The Barbary Wars were not a war of occupation involving tens of thousands of troops being permanently stationed in a foreign land whilst trying to impose our system of government on them. It was a punitive action. The idea that Jefferson would have supported forcing a bunch of cavemen to adopt our constitutional framework of government is laughable. The founders wanted to be an EXAMPLE of freedom, not to impose it on others. That was Napoleon’s plan. Now go back to playing global policeman.
You mean JR doubts that America is the world’s guardian of freedom.
What would the founders have done if they faced the threat of Soviet communism in their day? What would they have done if Islamofascists threatened America and her allies? We can’t really know but I have a hard time thinking that the generation which challenged the tyranny of the British Crown would have any tolerance for the new tyranny of Islamofascism.
Too bad we haven’t been guarding the integrity of our own financial system. Or our federal government.
Let’s see what happens when China stops buying American debt. When the world decides to set up a global currency based on something real, something other than blind faith in used car salesmen. When the entitlement state collapses. When that first nuclear suicide bomber detonates on Capitol Hill. Most likely, we’ll be guarding not the world, but our own inner cities from looters.
If the US is the guardian of freedom, then why do we put up with nations such as Saudi Arabia? They have oil so we look the other way. We guard our way of living, but frankly we as a nation dont give a crap what they do as long as they trade with us and don’t build a bomb. As for the Islamofascists, our invasion of Iraq did nothing to protect us.
David, although I’m sure the term “Islamofascism” did not exist in the time of Thomas Jefferson, think he knew more about Islam than George W. Bush did or does. Can you imagine Jefferson calling Islam as “religion of peace” after 9/11? Can you imagine Jefferson calling for a “war on terror” and imposing the excessive scrutiny on all air line passengers, treating all as criminals or suspected terrorists, while keeping the porous southern border open to give relatively unimpeded access to the country to those bent on wreaking real harm on the country?
It was Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor, not the Nazis. On Dec 8, 1941 we declared war on Japan and the following day Germany declared war on us. It was the conservatives that were making money from Germany that didn’t want the war.
How do you feel about the border? I ask because all this talk about how we need to protect ourselves from Jihadists and whatnot seems kind of disingenuous if we’re not going to take our border seriously. I mean, that seems like the first order of business if you’re concern is truly national defense; yet, the Bush administration not only largely ignored the border, but actually advocated making it easier for illegal aliens to obtain legal status, thereby incentivizing further illegal immigration. It seems bass ackwards to me.
I agree Jihadists need to be taken seriously and we need to do what we can to contain them and go after states that sponsor terrorism, etc. But I have a hard time believing that’s what these wars are all about when we leave are back door open when we go to fight them.
Let me help you out. I disagree with Israel’s foreign policy, and I don’t think we should send cash and weapons to any country, including Israel. That does not mean I hate Jews.
But that’s exactly what it means to the Zionists.
Sigh. Go ahead – tell me what I really meant, you free thinker you.
Living in a border state (Vermont), I couldn’t agree more. Our national unemployment rate approx 9%, esp among young people with inner cities hit the hardest, I don’t get why there isn’t more outrage about the illegals working in this country.
To:Walter Scott Hudson ,
It is bass ackwards and only in one way was Bush, IMHO, a conservative and that was in the pursuit of al-qaeda. But even there he ignored the history and the mindset of the enemy to our disadvantage. Sunni and Shia will be fighting each other eternally (Iraq/Iran) and instaead of using that as an advantage we tried to unite them. Let history yet written show that Iraq will not be what Bush envisioned and certainly will not be the freind to the US they keep telling us it will be. The same with Afghanistan.
Pbrauer,
you said “as long as they trade with us and don’t build a bomb” – correct, they are a global trading partner and as a nation not a threat…there is no reason to engage them in any other battle, thus far they’ve shown their ability to settle disagreements diplomatically…
not so with Iraq…and we didn’t “take on” regime change because Sadaam was an Islamofascist, but now that you mention it…Our invasion was a clear message to the islamofascist dictators in the Middle East…remember what happened with our relationship with Libya?
“It’s tough to take seriously an article with “crackpot†in the headline.”
I like the word “crackpot.” It should be used more, especially as it relates to public figures who advocate that we return to the Gold Standard and abandon Israel so that Islamofascist barbarians can finish Hitler’s work of exterminating the Jews.
Read the definition:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=crackpot
crack·pot
n.
An eccentric person, especially one with bizarre ideas.
adj.
Foolish; harebrained: a crackpot notion.
Congressman Paul clearly fits the definition.
To: pbrauer Re: “It was the conservatives that were making money from Germany that didn’t want the war.”
Please stop with your “Government School Educated” misinformation. Try reading this as a start: “The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History” by Thomas E. Woods, Jr., Ph.D.. Start with Chapter Thirteen, “The Approach of World War II; followed by Chapter Fourteen, “World War II Consequences and Aftermath”.
Prior to WWII the US had neutrality laws which prevented Americans from travel to those countries at war and the laws also prohibited the United States from sellingweapons to countries at war. We could sell other goods to beligerents, but only on a cash-and-carry basis and transported in the recipient country’s ships.
It was FDR, you know him right? A very conservative, in the political sense kinda guy, right? He was the one who changed the neutrality laws. FDR did leave those parts of the law not allowing money to be lent and that ships of the beligerents were still required to pick up the products for transport. He also was very open in his administration! He told Americans he was against the War publically but behind the scenes was trying to find ways to bring the US into the War. Read about his tactics with Japan. “War seemed increasingly inevitable to administration officials. Secretary of War Henry Stimson wrote in his diary on November 25,1941, that the question had now come down to how “to maneuver them [the Japanese] into the position of firing the first shot” The administration was “doing everything they can to get us into war through the Japanese back door,” said former President Hoover in 1941.
Boy oh boy, those nasty Conservatives you gotta watch em!
Germany didn’t want the war? Now that’s a new perspective that I haven’t heard before.
I think you need to cut back on the rum in your fruitcake recipe this year.
@ pbauer
Re: ” It was the conseratives that were making money from Germany that didn’t want the war” ??
WT……? Can you please back that up with any facts?
We should have always been looking behind every word and deed of the ploiticians we elect to represent us. That is where we find the true character of the person. For far too long, we have been electing our reps because of the party affiliation; so we get party people rather than those who would actually do their job and defend the constitution and the country.
Thank you, Ben.
Yeah, I’ll count you as an anti-Semite. Those who talk about “Jewish bankers” are usually anti-Semites.
Wow. Fantastic comment.
But George W. Bush must have thought he understood America/Americans enough to hire him as a speech writer — maybe his term “axis of evil” did him in.
William F. Buckley, Jr: “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.”
Tolerating the Truthers and the Paul True Believers would be like Buckley tolerating the Birchers in his day. It shouldn’t be done.
Kenneth Gareau, thank you for responding, I didn’t have the energy for this one, you can expect that Pbrauer will not respond to you…he’s a one-shot wonder.
Julie
Are you implying that central banking, specifically the Federal Reserve is a good idea? Do you think that there has been no FED involvement in the financial crises that have engulfed the country and the world since it began in 1913? With a Gold Standard would the dollar have depreciated to less than 5% of its value from the creation of the Federal Reserve? I think Ron Paul has recognized the problem, but he may not be as eloquent as Barack Obama in rousing the masses.
Ron Paul crackpot? Really?? What views does he hold that could be considered crackpot.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-a-budget/59257-ron-paul-and-sarah-palin-the-ross-perot-moment
Those on the “Whack-Job Right” are those who embrace conspiracy theories, racism, anti-Semitism, theocracy, crackpot ideas (Gold Standard) etc. Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance is another example. The groups that William F. Buckley Jr. singled out as “kook” (like the Birchers) are still around and cannot be allowed to hijack the conservative cause.
http://newsrealblog.com/2009/07/21/msnbc-maddow-tries-to-paint-the-right-as-kooks-with-birther-coverage/
http://archive.salon.com/news/col/horo/2002/09/03/white_nationalism/
I’m very much in favor of a Big Tent Conservatism with a large coalition of people with conflicting views. That’s healthy and necessary. But lines do need to be drawn somewhere. WFB drew those lines 50 years ago and we should honor his memory by continuing his tradition.
GeoffTN:
You are absolutely right. Who do you think will jump on the grenade to save everyone else in the room? Who will stand back and wait for that to happen?
Cue the dramatic music.
What are the conspiracy theories? What are the crackpot ideas? We aren’t just talking about the people who think 9-11 was a government projected optical illusion? Jared Taylor I can understand. Are we talking about people who think the left is trying to turn the U.S. into a Marxist state? Are we talking about people who believe in “The New World Order”?
But, if a hard monetary standard is a “yes”, then it seems we must have a pretty broad definition of what crackpot is. In fact, one could then posit that the U.S. was a crackpot nation up until the late 60s. And we could say that a lot of the world is going crackpot on us as well.
How wonderful that you’ve joined us in this postmodern world. Conspiracy theories and crackpot ideas are certainly in the eyes of the beholder. What’s crackpot to one person is The Truth to another.
Have you studied conspiracy theory literature much? It’s been a hobby of mine for many years. I don’t “believe” in it, I’m just amused by it. Read some books by conspiracy theorists or about conspiracy theorists and you’ll start see various trends. I can give you some recommendations on this subject if you want.
1. 9/11 Truthers are conspiracy theorists (and Anti-Americans) and should not be welcomed into the Conservative fold.
2. The Left is quite open about wanting to turn the country to the left. Not all leftists want a Marxist state but it’s not a conspiracy theory to point out that leftist activists and politicians want to move this country to the Left. This falls under the very broad definition of “conspiracy theory” — so broad as to be useless. Because technically one could say that every group of 2 or more people planning to do something is a conspiracy. These aren’t the conspiracies that most people talk about when referring to “conspiracy theory.”
3. Yes, we are talking about “The New World Order” as a conspiracy theory that should be regarded as crackpot. NWO is a common theme in conspiracy literature.
4. Economic crackpot theories (that America needs to go back on the Gold Standard) are somewhat more tolerable than crackpot conspiracy theories. They’re still crackpot in my own personal view but I could tolerate a Gold Standard type (and discuss and debate the issue — not that I’m very well-read on the intricacies of it or have much desire to) much more than a Conspiracy Theorist.
Jonathan, are you really that unsure of what crackpot is referring to or are you just stirring the pot?
Julie
Jefferson waged a four year war against the Muslims in the Mediterranean Sea. Then they were called the Barbary Pirates, and claimed the Mediterranean area their Caliphate. The pirates would hold ships for ransom and the European leaders would pay to ransom them. Jefferson refused to pay the ransom and, although he pleaded with the Euros to help with the problem, they refused. So, he loaded our warships with Marines and we fought a four year war WITHOUT the help of the Euros. Sound familiar? By the way, we WON that war.
We want to know what Thomas Jefferson thought of “islamofacism” – nothing. That’s what he thought of it. Islam didn’t even exist in 1776, people.
Will you guys get some education already!
David Frum has a cool last name.
David Horowitz will someday REJOIN his comrades on the left.
Both of them hate the idea of America as a small “r” republic and guardian of IT’S OWN liberty. No need to lose liberty at home while we’re spilling the blood of our naive sons who think they’re in the mideast “protecting” America.
Come home, boys. I think it’s time to cut 85% of the budget from the Dept of Defense.
I am a patriot.
Hi David,
You don’t really believe there is a principle equivalence between a truther and a Bircher?
Actually, if you took your parallel out, Buckley would have to be tossed out when he declared the Iraq war a failure. Was he then a “crackpot”?
No disrespect, but there is no win for any of us going down this path.
Samuel
Wyoming
There most certainly is an equivalence between Truthers and Birchers. The Birchers were infested with conspiracism, once suggesting that Eisenhower was a communist.
There’s a difference between being “wrong” and being “crackpot.” Buckley isn’t a crackpot because of his judgment of the Iraq war. See the above posted definition of “crackpot.”
Do you want to tolerate having conspiracists and anti-Semites in the Conservative Movement? It’s a painful but necessary thing to do. Obama had the good sense to throw Van Jones under the bus when it got out that he was a conspiracist. The Right needs to have the same attitude toward Truthers, anti-Semites, and other Conspiracists.
Buckley Jr endorsed Obama. He’s credible?
The Birchers came out against the Vietnam war thus Buckley decided to try and run them out of polite society. But Barry Goldwater never would have gotten the 1964 Republican nomination without the Birchers
My question is genuine. Absolutely. With the revelation that Ron Paul is a crackpot on the federal reserve and a gold standard, I’m needing to do a reality check. The obvious ones we all know, but Ron Paul didn’t seem so obvious to me. Especially in putting him into a context of global opinion. Of course, I had no idea that Ron Paul seems anti-semitic in the minds of some people. I’ve never heard him speak on that topic. But I do believe that those in the “Jewish Banker” realm are probably putting more than sugar in their coffee.
America was on a hard standard until the late 60s, when we went to a fiat. For a conservative, why is it crackpot to advocate returning to a fiscal policy the US had until 40 years ago? Especially in light of the consequences of overspending and in the clamoring to go to a gold-backed global currency?
I think some parsing is needed on the New World Order. There are good theories and bad theories out there. But there is no question that global governance is on the way, and it is a brainchild of the left.
HERE! HERE! David. Too often do we label the improbable as conspiracy theory. If it is based in fact and has strong supporting evidence it is not a conspiracy. Anyone who believes the left is not complicit with a Marxist agenda has not read Mr. Horowitz’s recent series “Alinsky, Beck, Satan and Me”. The agenda is clearly Marxist. I believe people lose site of the fact that not everyone on the left is privy to thier leaders motives.
Beck uses satire emphatically. If you happen to see 1 of my responses you would draw the conclusion that I am a far left “moonbat”. You can’t watch 1 clip of Beck to determine his true motive. Context is everything.
Daniel, the CIA and the 9/11 Commission specifically called the attacks “blowback.” What do you think that means?
Jonathan if you want to debate and argue against groups that want a one world government then you have my blessing. There are indeed leftist groups that push for the whole world to be united under one government. And they should be checked and refuted.
My strategy tip: just don’t use the term “New World Order” to describe it because then you’re using language which conspiracists use.
Probably not. I think you’re thinking of the Hare Krishnas. They’re known for being at airports.
Sometimes it seems as though you contradict yourself, David.
There are indeed, leftist groups that want a one world government. So, it is not appropriate to label conservatives who speak against this as “kooks” who need to be Buckley-ized out of the party.
I’m not contradicting myself. Go after them, just don’t use the phrase “New World Order” because it’s been hijacked by the kooks. That phrase has a history.
I’m not sure you answered my question (I might have missed it if you did): are you familiar with conspiracy literature? Have you studied it much?
I did not answer it yet. But I will now.
I’m familiar with conspiracy theories. I didn’t just join the post modern world. I’ve been watching it unfold for 50 incredible years, ever since the House Subcommittee on UnAmerican Activities was disbanded. Talk about something conservatives should unite on? How about a call to enforce the Smith Act so we can start repairing this nation’s institutions?
I study conspiracies as a means to another end. My viewis that most of them overlap reality and fantasy, left and right, etc. They all have elements of truth blended with fiction on a sliding scale. Many are based on general impressions people gleen from current events, and then try to place within a theorized construct. Many are completely drawn from the ether.
The New World Order: (I don’t have a problem with that terminology, as you do. To me, it’s just a term used by a wide array of people, from Presidents to policy wonks to kooks).
As far as the NWO goes, I see a jigsaw puzzle of global events. The question is, how does one put the puzzle together? Something is going on globally, but where it originates from and what the ultimate ambition is, is up for debate. I have my own theories. But the important point is people don’t need to be categorically dismissed as kooks. They are people trying to process complex events into a logical framework – against an historical backdrop of strong distrust for government institutions that is well founded. Oftentimes, they are theists trying to place events into an eschatological context. One man’s crackpot is another man’s sage.
So people tend to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We can’t afford to do that anymore. It’s been 50 plus years of subversion already. Today the Democrats are openly DOING and admitting what they denied with sneers and derision just 20 years ago. Just like they denied what was going on in Stalinist Russia.
Then there are the propagandists like the 9-11 Truthers, who are either profiteering on book deals about conspiracies, or are anti-government lunatics, or are leftists trying to attack the Bush administration. They are dismissable because they have no evidence other than fantastical scenarios or interpretations of photographic evidence.
Last but not least, you as a conservative should be the last to ridicule Ron Paul on economics. He’s absolutely right, and his economic statements are right in line with not only the founding fathers, but with common sense in general. The standard may not necessarily be gold, but it ought to be more than worthless paper. Ron Paul, anti-semitic? Perhaps. But the founding fathers were racists by today’s standards. Heck. I think anyone who votes for the Democrats is de facto anti-semitic. I don’t need to know if the fry cook is anti-semitic before I order a burger from him.
This Frum guy, he’s an imposter. American Conservatism is for the common folk, because it is the language of the grassroots. It shouldn’t become the exclusive domain of self-appointed intellectuals who are essentially trying to coopt the voice of the heartland. Let Frum go form his own party. We don’t need the Gerald Ford, Rockefeller Republicans anymore. Limbaugh is right about that. They are just liberals by any other name. And they despise the true essence of the conservative party in this country. The people. Just like the liberals despise the people.
Intellectuals run the world. And they have totally and completely screwed it up. Many of us challenge their intellect. We challenge their proclaimations in the face of what we plainly see to the contrary. And as theistic conservatives, many of us say that GOD is the beginning of knowledge. Not man.
Hi Jack and David,
Everything I’ve heard Ron Paul say has been perfectly sound, if you and David know differently I’d consider the evidence. However, I’ve heard enough said about me and people I know, to be cautious about 2nd hand reports.
I would suspect that you could find Ron Paul supporters that would say you are a “conspiracists” for thinking the the things you do about Ron Paul. How do we know that Ron Paul being an anti-Semite isn’t some conspiracy generated by people that don’t like Ron Paul?
Take what you wrote and let the left fill in the blank:
“It is just difficult to take some(one) serious that thinks Iraq has anything to do with terrorism.”
“It is just difficult to take some(one) serious that thinks Obama is socialist.”
“It is just difficult to take some(one) serious that thinks cap and trade is for government control”.
Guess we’ll all “conspiracists”, at least when viewed from the left.
At the rate we’re going, we may all be thinking Ron Paul would have been a much better choice, so why do we spend time attacking him, and then Glenn Beck? Both parties need a purging, Ron Paul, by what I’ve seen, is one of the better ones.
Samuel
Well Jack, that evaded the real question, you rather have Obama than Ron Paul? Regardless of someone’s conspiracies, if they stick to the word of the Constitution, I’d take daffy duck. Obama doesn’t come close.
Samuel
Wyoming
One of the key problems with Ron Paul is that he wants to abandon Israel so that Islamic barbarians can finish Hitler’s work. If that isn’t anti-Semitism then what is?
A little side note. The English silently encouraged the pirates to attack the American ships…helped squelch the economic competition coming from the fledgling American nation.
And when Jack Hampton insisted that Paul blamed 9/11 on Bush I knew he was a crackpot. You think that a Bush was in office in the 1950’s? You don’t think Clinton was bombing Iraq? You disagree with the CIA and the 9/11 commission report?
Paul started warning people in the ’80s – before the first attack on the Towers – that this resentment was building up in the Middle East. He was probably the only politician that wasn’t entirely surprised by the attack. And he’s a crackpot in your book. Yeah, ok.
Face it – he didn’t say what you wanted him to say, and he didn’t back down when Giuliani tried to bully him. (Hint: One has 75 years of history on his side, and one has a financial interest in the military industrial complex. )
Willfully blind, hyperbolic, American Exceptionalists are more the problem the the solution.
What? The people who make foil are riding motorcycles? I don’t follow you at all.
Are you joking? Israel doesn’t even officially have nuclear capability. They stole all the technological secrets and built a huge program with no approval from any nation.
Iran has never, ever been an aggressor in the Middle East. They have never attacked another nation. All their military operations have been done in self-defense, as a result of a direct attack by another country. Not sure why you think they’re incapable of negotiating.
Heck, the people of Iraq were the most Western country there, until the CIA decided to oust their leader and protect Big Oil’s interests.
Thanks Jack.
Wardog, you’re post makes a lot of sense once I wade throught the run on sentences and other obstacles to good communication. People though, will dismiss you as unworthy merely because of presentation, I’m afraid. You throw out a message that is good, but it knocks people out when it’s wrapped around a brick.
Pretending the Left does not exist and is not trying to destroy American Freedom will not be effective.
The American worker has more reason for anyone in this world to feel resentment. Toward OUR government for bungling foreign policy and toward nations who take advantage of our government’s effiminate passivity to embezzle money from us while cursing us at their every whim.
Oil is the source of vast Middle Eastern fortunes and enables corrupt totalitarian regimes based on religious control. If “resentment” is justified, then it is by the people against their own regimes. Islam is still being used like Christianity was used for 1400 years; as a tool of politics.
Idiots and appeasers in the West support these regimes blaming the West for its “imperialism” to support their own agendas. They help Middle East regimes deflect the anger from themselves.
The best way to defend Israel is the best way to defend the West in general. We seek to avoid “excessive foreign entanglements” (as those right wing whacko founding fathers suggested). Then, to coin a phrase from the bygone days of patriarchal domination: we act like men whose word is our bond.
We mind our own business and just DO business. But We draw the line, we elucidate the consequences, we enforce the consequences. We can defend Israel from anywhere in the world. Our submarine-based ICBMs have the range.
Is Phil Weiss an anti-semite??
http://mondoweiss.net/
What bizarre ideas does Ron Paul hold?
Do you think the United States should fight endless war on behalf of Israel??
Jonathan, you mention many typical targets of defunding of the military budget…I wonder if they will target the annual millions $ breast cancer research appropriation?
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=5808&page=17
I meant to say, military funded breast cancer research….
I think President Obama has backed himself into a corner here..
He campaigned on being tough with our enemy Bin Laden/al quaeda, he said they were in Afghanistan and that Pres. Bush and the Republicans had taken their eye off the ball by attacking Iraq/Sadaam regime change. He said he would bulk up deployment to Afghanistan (avoiding the surge term) to refocus on what our mission “should” be, to hunt down and kill bin laden.
So now, he either has to sacrifice hundreds of US military lives or go back on his words (aka admit he didn’t/doesn’t know what he ’s talking about). Either way, he loses a significant amount of support…
Sadly, I think he’ll opt for sacrificing US military lives.
Yes, for as long as it takes for our (& their) enemies to get the message. Israel is an a strategic gem in the midst of worthless rocks important not only to the US but to the world (you won’t hear that in the MSM).
They provide us important intelligence information, have incredibly smart people who benefit us and the world, provide hope to many Arabs that “a free life” is possible, and have been largely responsible for preventing an all out war in the Middle East by repeatedly showing they will NOT TOLERATE being attacked.
I stand with Israel.
I think he wants to sacrifice not just lives, but a good portion of the readiness and capability of our military ground forces. I think the left would love to see our forces nuked in Afghanistan, and I believe it would serve their purposes tremendously.
Yep, I’m sure I sound like a real right wing whacko. But, I just remember too profoundly and too emotionally the burning ROTC buildings, the insults directed at service members, Jane Fonda visiting the NVA. I remember not having my Dad for 5 long years as he served in the Vietnam theater, but hearing Gore Vidal call my dad “evil.” I remember being told in college that I was helping destroy the world by joining ROTC; I had a leftist professor tell
me all about what happened in Granada; but I was THERE watching what happened and I didn’t recall seeing him anywhere. I know how much the left hates our military.
My hunch is that the left wants to break the military using Afghanistan and Islamofacism in the same sort of Vietnam Bog Strategy deployed in that country long ago.
Our military and our intelligence community is what stands between us and them.
Look, I’m just giving some tactical advice here. By all means criticize and attack those who want to institute one world government or want to set up some sort of transnational totalitarian state.
But when you use the phrase “New World Order” to talk about them then you sound like a conservative crackpot. There are lots of such phrases that have been hijacked by conspiracy literature — “international bankers” for example. So take my advice or ignore it. If you want to sound like a crackpot and be ignored by people then go ahead.
I don’t use the term, David, unless I’m talking to one in agreement. I prefer the term “globalist” personally.
By the way, have you ever read the inscription on FDR’s memorial? It’s very interesting.
Globalist is much better. What’s the inscription on FDR’s memorial?
David S said:
“So take my advice or ignore it. If you want to sound like a crackpot and be ignored by people then go ahead”.
I agree except that he will be noticed & vilified by the those who will use him as example as to what’s wrong with conservatives.
Julie
Gen. Zinni: ‘They’ve Screwed Up’
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/21/60minutes/main618896.shtml
What does the inscription say? Click on this link if you so desire.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28567825@N03/2996332976
Has anyone noticed that the left villifies conservatives no matter what they say? No matter how reasonable they are? Or polite? Or however much they refuse to mention anything about a New World Order? Since when has Rush Limbaugh ever talked about cockamamey conspiracy theories?
Jonathan,
Great link…gosh even the dogs ears have perked up. LOL
Jonathan, yes I have noticed; it’s part of discrediting the source. However, there are a few crackpots among our ranks that give them fodder for discrediting.
I would rather take the time to choose my words carefully than be dismissed by both the conservative & liberal people who can/will no longer engage in meaningful discussions with me simply because I’ve aligned myself with a bunch of nuts and risk contributing to the discrediting of my fellow conservatives who may have aligned themselves with me.
It’s been very difficult, playing in the mud can be fun …
Jonathan, thanks for the link and advice on what to do on a rainy day. If you know anything about Vermont, it rains, and rains and rains, and when it’s done it rains some more…after that it gets cold and snows, then it’s mud season…
I should be absolutely brilliant soon – LOL
FL here we come.
Then, perhaps you will like this link, Julie.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/
It’s an oratory archive that is full of old speeches. Listen to the famous “Old Soldiers Never Die” speech of Douglas MacArthur. Listen to this haunting and brilliant oratory about duty, about the dangers of communism in China and what we should do to preserve freedom. America has not had a finer and more stirring speaker than the old general. I am filled with emotion every time I listen to it. You might also want to listen to his final address at West Point, shortly before he died in ‘68. A marvelous treasure of a speech.
When you have a rainy day, do some digging around in this. I would also recommend you do some digging in google book search. Select for books written between 1900 and 1960 and word search “Bolshevism” and similar words. And you will begin to get a sense of just how late in the game we really are, if you don’t already know it very well.
You are going to be accused of it anyway, Julie. The constituency of the left are idiots. If you aren’t aligned with nuts, they are going to tell people you are anyway. And they will be believed. Don’t worry about anything like that. Those who agree with you, will agree with you. Those who don’t, never will.
America is nothing but a big swill pit of verbal methane anyway. Everybody is a gas bag of hyperbole and partial truth/fiction. Like I stated in a post earlier, we’re all just people outside the ivory towers, looking at myriad events happening around the world and trying to size them up. To assimilate them into a picture. We see something going on. But we don’t know what it is.
All I can tell you is that multitudes of people around the world are experiencing and seeing the same things we are talking about in America. I am closely following events in Europe and Central Asia. Education, for example. Research Britain, New Zealand, South Africa, for instance. You see the same buzz words: “dumbing down” “brainwashing” “global curriculum” “global citizenry”. They’re talking about the death of Western Culture all over Europe. Conservatives in Europe see the slow Islamization of Europe underway. Britain is on the brink of right wing civil unrest also. We hear NOTHING about it here. Brits are chafing under politically correct facist tyranny that FAR FAR outstrips what we have in America. The gold standard is a “crackpot” idea? Baloney. It is being bandied about and discussed by lots of nations in a bid to dump the US dollar and implement a global currency. It’s not fantasy. It’s reality.
Even leftists are in fear of a “global tyranny”. The people of Africa and the Middle East talk about the UN as a “neo-colonial force” that is trying to impose another epoch of White Colonialist Values under another mask. We see anarchists rioting in Seattle during the Clinton administration and the global summit. What are they rioting about?
“You are going to be accused of it anyway, Julie. The constituency of the left are idiots. If you aren’t aligned with nuts, they are going to tell people you are anyway. And they will be believed. Don’t worry about anything like that. Those who agree with you, will agree with you. Those who don’t, never will.”
This isn’t true at all. You completely ignore the apolitical, the center, and the moderate reasonable segment of the Left (the latter of which I used to be a part of.) You CAN reach people who disagree with your views and you CAN teach people how to love America. I’m living proof.
Sure, the Left will smear people. But that’s no excuse not to avoid talking like a conspiracist and to dismiss efforts to reach the reachable.
“We want to know what Thomas Jefferson thought of “islamofacism†– nothing. That’s what he thought of it. Islam didn’t even exist in 1776, people.”
You might consider yourself a patriot but you have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. Islam has existed since Muhammad founded it over a thousand years ago. The Founders even wrote about what they thought about Islam.
And if you love America then why aren’t you willing to defend it from the Islamofascists wanting to destroy it? Cut 85% of the defense budget? What sort of patriot wants to cripple America’s ability to defend itself?
“David Horowitz will someday REJOIN his comrades on the left.”
Isn’t it great when people say brainless things like this which makes it so we can laugh at them and disregard what they have to say?
Bernie Scholar said:
“I am a patriot”
Agreed, but what country?
You’re welcome Julie. I hope you enjoy the speeches. Also, check out JFK’s 1961 speech to the American Newspaper Publishers.