There is much confusion about the religious beliefs of America’s FFs. While I can’t prove all of them believed like John Adams did, I did see Mr. Lytle invoke Adams for his side. It’s true Adams did think of himself as a “Christian” and promoted “religion and morality” as essential for republican government.

However, I seriously doubt J. Adams could pass Mr. Lytle’s test for “a Christian.” Adams was most certainly NOT a “born again, the Bible is the infallible Word of God” kind of Christian. Rather, he was a Da Vinci Code kind of Christian who mocked the idea that Jesus was God, 2nd person in the Trinity who made an infinite Atonement for man.

Here’s a “taste” of John Adams’ Christianity:

“An incarnate God!!! An eternal, self-existent, omnipresent omniscient Author of this stupendous Universe, suffering on a Cross!!! My Soul starts with horror, at the Idea, and it has stupified the Christian World. It has been the Source of almost all of the Corruptions of Christianity.”

– John Adams to John Quincy Adams, March 28, 1816

I have much more.

I have JD MBA and LLM graduate degrees from Temple University, which makes me more qualified than David Barton to speak on this matter. He has only a Bachelors in Math Education from Oral Roberts University.

I haven’t had a chance to read this thread in detail; I will note though that I do NOT argue most of the FFs are “Deists.” However, it’s also a lie that virtually all of them were “born again Christians.” David Barton deserves the blame for giving winks and nods to evangelical audiences who wish to believe this.

But the slippery character that he is, Barton usually doesn’t come out and say they were all “born again Christians.” Rather he uses terms like “Christians” and “serious Christians.”

I’ve compiled much evidence that demonstrates the key FFs, ministers, and philosophers don’t pass the evangelical test for “Christianity.”

Well, I was a professional Divemaster and 1st Mate aboard a dive boat for a number of years. Thanks for the link to that article. Lost it when my computer crashed and forgot all about it. Just the other day I was reading about Gramsci! This is no coincidence!
Have also noticed the difference in the Navy and Marines of today compared to the 1980s when I was regularly amongst them. There was also a difference between us youngsters and our WW2 veteran mentors, they were tough! As a lifetime member of Proceedings, that publication has also veered left, some of the articles are infuriating!

Ohh David, I came across something last night that pertains to that link you sent me. Reading “Those Red Bears in Clergy Collars” it says those group therapy sessions were begun in the Soviet Union in the 1920s. This link has more detail about it(hat tip Jonathan!): http://www.newtotalitarians.com/WhatIsSensitivityTraining.html

And… Conservatism doesn’t change, doesn’t need changing. It works every time it’s tried. The principals are perfect, it’s we who are not and that’s why it is defined by the constant application of values to situations in life.

My wife is a teacher. I am 4th generation military. Both of us have seen firsthand the wreakage created in education by cultural Marxism. Have you considered the extent to which Marxism has infiltrated our military academies? Consider this essay from the Naval Academy:

http://www.newtotalitarians.com/FrankfurtSchool