NewsReal Sunday: Jack Kevorkian, Areligious Fanatic
“Kill ‘em all and let God sort it out.â€Â So goes the old Green Beret war cry. It’s the kind of gallows humor that soldiers (and cops) are known for. In this case, it’s especially ironic, since few warrior units in history have as good a track record of sparing innocent lives as the men who imbed with indigenous populations and help them take out the bad guys.
For Jack Kevorkian, the motto is apparently just “Kill ‘em all.† He firmly declares there is no God to do the sorting.
In a recent interview on Your World with Neil Cavuto, Dr. Death declared life not worth living for the entire populations of Iraq and Afghanistan. “Ask them if they — if they were glad to be born,†he challenged the host who had been exploring the issue of whether Kervorkian thought his own life worthwhile.
Cavuto, who adopted a bemused attitude that masterfully kept Kevorkian chattering away and smiling at inappropriate times (for normal people, anyway) was a little nonplussed at that statement and broke for a commercial.
Jack was also predictably sanguine about the idea of death panels and pulling the plug on Grandma.
CAVUTO: Many are saying that one key aspect of this health care reform they are looking at, Dr. Kevorkian, is these so-called panels that would meet with the elderly and discuss life and end-of-life options. Sarah Palin has called them the death panels. What do you call them?
KEVORKIAN: Well, the death panel makes it sound so negative. See, again, it’s all a fear tactic. There will be a panel, but a panel of physicians. Not religious people, not ethicists, physicians. Because a physician is the only one qualified to evaluate the medical condition of the patient, and the only one qualified to decide if the patient’s wish is worthy of action.
The Bible says that “faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.â€Â But despite his insistence that he is a man of logic and science, Jack Kevorkian proves himself a man of dogma.
It is a scientific principle that one cannot prove a negative. Kevorkian, however, leaves no wiggle room at the notion of God. Perhaps, this is “the substance of things hoped for.â€Â Jack Kevorkian has a lot invested in the idea that there is no judgment beyond the grave.
CAVUTO: So when Jack Kevorkian dies, you’re not going anywhere? Â it’s done, you’re dead, right?
KEVORKIAN: Yes, you’re going into the ground and you’re going to stink for a while and then you’re going to go into the ground.
CAVUTO: So this obsession we have about death and fear we have about death, what do you think of that?
KEVORKIAN: It’s to control. Â You know, the British writer Ouida said it nicely. Christianity has made of death a terror which was unknown to the gay calmness of the pagan. So you see it’s a terrible thing. You know, the big enemy is death. Everybody talks that way when they talk religion. It affects everybody, they’re going to all experience it.
You mean God was cruel enough to make sure he gave you something in the end of life that’s going to scare the devil out of you?…
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What you can’t do, or you can, but you should not do, is start saying things like, “we want to set up death panels to pull the plug on grandma.” I mean, come on.
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CAVUTO: What did you make of that?
KEVORKIAN: That is how the religious people think because their mind is kind of in a straitjacket, you know. Religion puts your mind in a straitjacket. You can’t say what is not in creed. Emerson said it nicely. He said, “As prayers are the weakness of the will, so are creeds’ — prayers are a weakness of — of something. Creeds are a weakness of will. All religion is to make you to conform to a different way of thinking that you feel naturally.
Later, Cavuto explored Kevorkian’s feelings about his own life. What is instructive about the conversation is how quickly it goes from the personal, to deciding whole populations in the words of Randy Newman, “got no reason to live.â€
KEVORKIAN: Call me anything you want. Call Clarence Darrow an atheist. Call Johannes Brahms an atheist. Call me anything you want. All I know is I do not believe in mythology. I do not accept mythology as the basis for my actions or basis for law. And we are based on mythology.
CAVUTO: But I guess the reason why I ask, Doctor,is you had also said, as someone who — who had never been married, never had children, I think you said that you had never loved, that: “I would rather not have been born. Who needed this god-dang going to jail and all this trouble? You know, what good did it do? It doesn’t do any good anyway.”
That sounded like a guy almost ready to cash it in.
KEVORKIAN: Well, that’s because of your — I am not — I — I’m realistic. That’s what saves me. I — I felt that way long ago. I analyzed it as a kid. I was about 10 or 11 years old.
I says, is it worth going through all of this?
No. And all my life, I said had I had a choice, I would have chosen not to be born.
What’s wrong with that?
CAVUTO: Do you still…
KEVORKIAN: I…
CAVUTO: … feel that way?
KEVORKIAN: I — there was no misery.
CAVUTO: Do you — after all you’ve been through, do you still feel that way?
KEVORKIAN: Yes. As long as I’m healthy…
CAVUTO: That it would have been better had Dr. Jack Kevorkian never been born?
KEVORKIAN: Had I never been born and I was a — I mean if I being born, as long as I’m not pained — in pain or suffering or terribly depressed chronically, I would say it’s worth going on. But when the time comes when it’s not worth going on, no. I would say then, it would have been better, perhaps, if I’d never been born. I don’t think the ups and downs are even. I think the downs in life are greater than the ups.
CAVUTO: Has it been that kind of life?
KEVORKIAN: It’s for, I think every — talk to people in Iraq, Afghanistan. Ask them if they — if they were glad to be born.
Later, we were treated to Jack Kevorkian’s philosophy of government.
KEVORKIAN: Well, I do not know if I would have none of it, but I would not have the degree we have now. Look it, you cannot transgress a natural right. That is the problem in this country. Natural rights are not honored.
The founding fathers founded this country based on natural rights, you are born with them. They are not created by law. You cannot transfer them to anybody. You are born with them until you die. You want to prove it? Look at a baby, the most free person in the world. Try to dictate to a baby what is illegal. Try to make a baby stop something because it is illegal. Try to say, “You cannot urinate there.”
That’s a fact, Jack. But actually, a baby is the least free person on the world—and the most dependent. A baby doesn’t care where it pees, but it also cannot eat or move without the assistance of others. But in Kevorkian’s twisted world, freedom only means freedom from convention. A frightening number of Michigan voters cast votes for this guy for Congress…
Then Dr. Death decided to dazzle the audience with his rhetorical skills. Check out Cavuto’s expression—actually, check out Kervorkian’s throughout this whole interview, whenever the subject of death comes up, don’t just read the transcript excerpts. I’m no psychiatrist, but…
KEVORKIAN: When you transplant a heart from a baboon into a baby, as we did, and you say the body of that baby is sacred, does that profane heart from the baboon become sacred when you place it in the body? Or when you take out a gallbladder and throw it in the garbage, is that a sacred gallbladder in the garbage, or as soon as it is out of its body it loses its sanctity?
You see the silliness of our mythology? Children ask the questions I’m just asking now. The trouble is, children get slapped for asking questions like that because they have no defense. But you can’t slap me. I can ask the question. It’s a logical question.
You say the body is sacred. What do you mean by that. It is Godlike, divine? Then all of your organs are, your intestines are, and they must have divine contents, too, your intestines, can you imagine that?
No, I really can’t.
I also can’t imagine that for about a decade, Jack Kevorkian was a liberal hero. In Michigan, his staunchest defender was left wing attorney Geoffrey Fieger– who bought the Democrat nomination for Governor, but was defeated in a landslide– and Dr. Death was the poster boy of the Hichigan ACLU.

In his book United in Hate, Jamie Glazov discusses how hard core leftist “true believers†are attracted to the purveyors of death. On a smaller scale, Kevorkian was also peddling utopia—suffering is unnecessary, and as soon as you’re not enjoying life anymore, it’s your right to check out.
Actually, he’s not that much nuttier than some of the current Administration’s appointments…
and we don’t have a Surgeon General that’s been confirmed by the Senate yet…
And Jack Kevorkian’s philosophy would certainly fit in with the medical advice given below:
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He justified what he did by saying that the patient had a right to decide what’s in their best interest, then goes on to say
“Because a physician is the only one qualified to evaluate the medical condition of the patient, and the only one qualified to decide if the patient’s wish is worthy of action.”
If the patient’s wish is always “worthy of action”, what if that patient wishes to live, wishes to have access to life saving drugs, wishes to have the surgery for a pacemaker??
And “rationed rationality”, is the best way to phrase this monstrosity. It tells you everything you wish to know.
Wow. So this is what life is like for some without religion. Life comes with suffering. Is there any joy? Sometimes you must sacrifice yourself on the alter of “rationed rationality.” This life of ours, these natural rights are based on a mythology. They are not inherent, but conjured up in our imaginations. So like the older children, the Kavorkians/Emmanuels of the world must squelch this childish notion of “Santa Claus” and push/shove/drag you into the light of reason. And then we will all sing with one unifying voice:
“All Hail the State!”
If favoring a right to life for the unborn deserves legal protection, so, too, should the right to die at a time one chooses. Cavuto may have used Kevorkian as a whipping boy (as did his successful prosecutors), but the truth is different than the show’s widely skewed views prompted from “Dr. Death”. The work that he did was always requested; he was sought out. What he offered was restricted to the few who could convince him that dying was their best option. In fact, he has spoken of studies that show that, when people are giving the right to choose when to die, few choose to do it because they feel liberated from the fear of living; it is less a concern.
And this: more and more pre-hospice conditions are treated with powerful pain killers. Is administering morphine not a humane thing to do?
Ah, yes, the Van Jones defense– You smeared me by quoting me– though, I guess that’s pretty widely used, John Kerry and Max Cleland come to mind. Cavuto just let Kevorkian talk. He probably got a lot of email about NOT challenging Dr. Death more. Abortion has a similar problem, as Dr. Bernard Nathanson has pointed out– the lack of good respectable doctors who want to do it.
Your point about pain killers is right on, though hospitals have come a long way, and probably the only thing that prevents a little more liberal use of morphine at the end of life is the fear of lawsuits.
And one bit of disclosure, Kevorkian’s successful prosecution was achieved by one of my clients, former Oakland County Prosecutor David Gorcyca.
Religion and politics – why must religion become such a major topic of politics. Keep separation of church and state a focus. Then discuss the topics on facts, not religious beliefs.
Inappropriate affect, suicide ideations, (twisted) religiosity, paranoia, delusions of grandeur…
Need I say more?
It seems the interview drifted. The problem has been addressed through the use of “The Living Will” provisions allowing the individual the choices available to them regarding medical treatment.
That should be a satisfactory solution, but the government wants to intervene and convolute.
Why?
Er, how do you discuss the worth of life, ethics, morality, or even just fiscal policy solely on “facts”? Each of those ideas comes with an assumed benchmark that is not something we can study. We don’t have an objective means of measuring value, so in all political discussions we are going to need to go into a realm that is essentially not objectively verifiable (even when the self-described irreligious do it).
Exactly on point, Stephen. Since Jack Kevorkian was the cause celebre for the Left on this issue, it’s relevant who he is, and to ask why a respectable doctor wasn’t out leading this charge.
Michael, you won’t like this response, but there’s a relevant Bible passage– “As a man thinks in his heart,so is he.”
Besides, Jack brings the subject up in every conversation on the topic. It would be strange and intellectually dishonest to ignore it. The problem is, Jack’s defenders hate where the conversation goes.
Cavuto apparently ran out of financial issues to explore. Why give a lunatic air-time anyway? Sensationalism?
davidforsmark
Time well spent reading this. I enjoyed it very much. Thanks for your take & well written article.
A friend of mine that retired from Kansas State Pen says he has a letter from doctor K that shed light on what he was actually doing assisting suicides. In 1965 the In cold blood boys I think hickock and smith were to be executed and the doctor wrote that he wanted to be present at the time of death to observe closely what happened to the body/soul/life force at the instance of death, something that only a scheduled execution or assisted suicide can allow you to observe. I would say that search is still going on for him but the whole assisted suicide thing got his research blown out of control and into a news feeding frenzy.
If the patient’s wish is always “worthy of actionâ€, what if that patient wishes to live, wishes to have access to life saving drugs, wishes to have the surgery for a pacemaker??
YES. That is EXACTLY the doctor’s point. IF the patient wants to live, by all means, do everything to make him live. BUT if the patient does NOT want to live, and he is sure of it, and he is terminal, and he is in great pain and just wants to end the suffering, why not help the patient?
He may have to wait until he passes on to find the answer he seeks.