Comments on: From the Pen of David Horowitz: September 5, 2009 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:34:39 +0000 hourly 1 By: michael http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7420 michael Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:00:41 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7420 These replies show a lot of false reasoning in the service of a desired conclusion. "intheknow", for instance, says that my "statement that North Florida is mostly black is racist nonsense." But it is very well known that black and Democratic voters are concentrated in the north of the state. So it is demographically accurate to state that that portion of the state was the desired target for the strategy of using wildly inaccurate exclusion lists. Then he/she says "Additionally, your implication that blacks were not intelligent enough to figure out a vote card indicates your narrow mindedness." But this is yet another red herring. The confusing ballots were employed in districts full of elderly (and mostly Democratic) voters. People more easily confused, or perhaps with poor vision. The racially exclusive lists were used where race reflected the difference in political affiliation. As for elaine's comment, I would invite her to offer actual evidence, not mere allegation, that ACORN did anything unlawful in signing up new voters prior to the 2000 election. Had they done so I'm sure we'd have heard charges being laid against them. And jonathan, Mr Horowitz did indeed lay the charge that there was racial provocation in Florida. But the plain fact is, the total of 537 winning votes is a false one by any reckoning. Counting was stopped and never resumed. The Florida Board of Elections did admit that there were thousands of voters unfairly disenfranchised, and they were never allowed to contest their improper exclusion from the count. And the difference in the vote at no point ever exceeded what experts consider to be a normal margin for error. So the Florida vote results are now permanently clouded.. and the man who the Supreme Court declared by a margin of one to be the winner, actually received fewer than half the votes in the United States by everyone's count. It's a problem of legitimacy. These replies show a lot of false reasoning in the service of a desired conclusion. “intheknow”, for instance, says that my “statement that North Florida is mostly black is racist nonsense.” But it is very well known that black and Democratic voters are concentrated in the north of the state. So it is demographically accurate to state that that portion of the state was the desired target for the strategy of using wildly inaccurate exclusion lists.

Then he/she says “Additionally, your implication that blacks were not intelligent enough to figure out a vote card indicates your narrow mindedness.” But this is yet another red herring. The confusing ballots were employed in districts full of elderly (and mostly Democratic) voters. People more easily confused, or perhaps with poor vision. The racially exclusive lists were used where race reflected the difference in political affiliation.

As for elaine’s comment, I would invite her to offer actual evidence, not mere allegation, that ACORN did anything unlawful in signing up new voters prior to the 2000 election. Had they done so I’m sure we’d have heard charges being laid against them.

And jonathan, Mr Horowitz did indeed lay the charge that there was racial provocation in Florida. But the plain fact is, the total of 537 winning votes is a false one by any reckoning.

Counting was stopped and never resumed. The Florida Board of Elections did admit that there were thousands of voters unfairly disenfranchised, and they were never allowed to contest their improper exclusion from the count. And the difference in the vote at no point ever exceeded what experts consider to be a normal margin for error.

So the Florida vote results are now permanently clouded.. and the man who the Supreme Court declared by a margin of one to be the winner, actually received fewer than half the votes in the United States by everyone’s count.

It’s a problem of legitimacy.

]]> By: Elaine http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7419 Elaine Mon, 07 Sep 2009 04:01:49 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7419 It isn't in the best interest of politicians nor those in the judiciary to abide by the authority given them in the Constitution. How would the millions dependent upon their usurping their authority and making up the meaning of the Constitution as they go along survive if that were to happen? It isn’t in the best interest of politicians nor those in the judiciary to abide by the authority given them in the Constitution. How would the millions dependent upon their usurping their authority and making up the meaning of the Constitution as they go along survive if that were to happen?

]]> By: Elaine http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7418 Elaine Mon, 07 Sep 2009 03:50:57 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7418 Thank you David for the response. I'll check out your link. Thank you David for the response. I’ll check out your link.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7417 Jonathan Sun, 06 Sep 2009 04:07:42 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7417 It is irreconcilable, Deborah. Unfortunately, our side hasn't realized that yet. Our house is ALREADY burning down. We should be putting out the fire, but we're too busy telling the left to stop playing with matches. Ayn Rand is good. You mention faith, however, which is opposed to Rand's objectivism. She was astray in understanding the importance of God in American development. All politics and economics aside, this really is a war of absolutes versus relativism. What Rand never realized is that America was not intended to be humanist under any economic model. The Founders knew that Humanism inevitably leads to slavery from any direction. Have you read her 1971 book, The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution? I highly recommend it if you haven't. It's for sale on Amazon in paperback: It is irreconcilable, Deborah. Unfortunately, our side hasn’t realized that yet. Our house is ALREADY burning down. We should be putting out the fire, but we’re too busy telling the left to stop playing with matches.

Ayn Rand is good. You mention faith, however, which is opposed to Rand’s objectivism. She was astray in understanding the importance of God in American development. All politics and economics aside, this really is a war of absolutes versus relativism. What Rand never realized is that America was not intended to be humanist under any economic model. The Founders knew that Humanism inevitably leads to slavery from any direction.

Have you read her 1971 book, The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution? I highly recommend it if you haven’t. It’s for sale on Amazon in paperback:

]]> By: Deborah W http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7416 Deborah W Sun, 06 Sep 2009 01:08:48 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7416 The rancor on both sides makes me so sad. It seems so irreconcilable. I am coming to the point, for the first time in my life, to truly fear for the future, especially the future of my children. My husband and I are quietly trying to instill in them the reasonings of Ayn Rand....true individualism and self reliance. NOT ultra-right wing survivalist...but compelete self sufficiency for their futures. They will look to no one to provide health (health insurance, medicare), wealth (government handouts of all kinds, including social security), or happiness. They will expect to have to work hard for anything, and work their entire lives. Work will make them strong, productive, and hopefully, secure. We are encouraging them to seek love and faith, and to work to sustain and survive. I hope they can live lives as far removed as they can, from the chaos of American political life, and all of its ramifications. I want the RADICAL LEFT to leave them alone and let them live!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The rancor on both sides makes me so sad. It seems so irreconcilable. I am coming to the point, for the first time in my life, to truly fear for the future, especially the future of my children. My husband and I are quietly trying to instill in them the reasonings of Ayn Rand….true individualism and self reliance. NOT ultra-right wing survivalist…but compelete self sufficiency for their futures. They will look to no one to provide health (health insurance, medicare), wealth (government handouts of all kinds, including social security), or happiness.

They will expect to have to work hard for anything, and work their entire lives. Work will make them strong, productive, and hopefully, secure. We are encouraging them to seek love and faith, and to work to sustain and survive. I hope they can live lives as far removed as they can, from the chaos of American political life, and all of its ramifications.

I want the RADICAL LEFT to leave them alone and let them live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Christian http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7415 Christian Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:06:55 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7415 @ Joseph White... Nice try at the first one on the "Republican side"... but the congressman who got the ride from the NG during Hurricane Katrina, who had 90,000 in cash in his freezer was Congressman William Jefferson. DEMOCRAT, Louisiana. I know that he wasn't a Republican, because if he was, it would have been mentioned within the first five words of the story. As it was, it took forever for the State Run White House Stenographer Media to even mention his party affiliation...and when it did, someone let slip that Congressman William Jefferson, Democrat Louisiana, was a Republican. It fit the narrative of what the then-minority party wanted the American people to believe. As for the legitimately corrupt in the Republican party, they are dealt with. Those on the Democrat side, like William Jefferson, Democrat Louisiana, are PROMOTED. @ Joseph White…

Nice try at the first one on the “Republican side”…

but the congressman who got the ride from the NG during Hurricane Katrina, who had 90,000 in cash in his freezer was

Congressman William Jefferson.

DEMOCRAT, Louisiana.

I know that he wasn’t a Republican, because if he was, it would have been mentioned within the first five words of the story. As it was, it took forever for the State Run White House Stenographer Media to even mention his party affiliation…and when it did, someone let slip that Congressman William Jefferson, Democrat Louisiana, was a Republican. It fit the narrative of what the then-minority party wanted the American people to believe.

As for the legitimately corrupt in the Republican party, they are dealt with. Those on the Democrat side, like William Jefferson, Democrat Louisiana, are PROMOTED.

]]> By: David Swindle http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7414 David Swindle Sat, 05 Sep 2009 23:24:54 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7414 http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/THE%20RELIGIOUS%20ROOTS%20of%20Radicalism.htm http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/THE%20RELIGIOUS%20ROOTS%20of%20Radicalism.htm

]]> By: joel http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7413 joel Sat, 05 Sep 2009 23:12:40 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7413 RE: JOHN DAVIDSON'S COMMENT, THE LAWMAKERS (OXYMORON?) MAKE A LIVING UNDER THE LAWS THAT THEY CREATED. I THINK IT WAS GEORGE MC GOVERN WHO SAID, SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT, (A FEW YEARS AFTER LEAVING OFFCICE, AND SEEING A BUSINESS OR TWO THAT HE )( AND/OR MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY) STARTED, FAIL, IF HE KNEW THE CONSEQUENCES AND DIFFICULTIES IN COMPLYING WITH THE VARIOUS LAWS, HE NEVER WOULD HAVE VVOTED FOR THEM RE: JOHN DAVIDSON’S COMMENT,
THE LAWMAKERS (OXYMORON?) MAKE A LIVING UNDER THE LAWS THAT THEY CREATED.

I THINK IT WAS GEORGE MC GOVERN WHO SAID, SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT, (A FEW YEARS AFTER LEAVING OFFCICE, AND SEEING A BUSINESS OR TWO THAT HE )( AND/OR MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY) STARTED, FAIL, IF HE KNEW THE CONSEQUENCES AND DIFFICULTIES IN COMPLYING WITH THE VARIOUS LAWS, HE NEVER WOULD HAVE VVOTED FOR THEM

]]> By: John Davidson http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7412 John Davidson Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:39:26 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7412 The revolution has started. The question remains as to which of our representatives have the courage to join the wave of discontent rumbling throughout this nation. We have only experienced murmurs so far. The revolution has started.

The question remains as to which of our representatives have the courage to join the wave of discontent rumbling throughout this nation.

We have only experienced murmurs so far.

]]> By: Joseph White http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7411 Joseph White Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:26:40 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7411 About as many as there are illegal immigrants that can vote. I honestly believe we need to go back and start doing things the way the constitution says they are to be done. Thomas Paine, where he alive today, would be screaming about government intrusion, and would be calling for another rebellion. "The tree of liberty needs to be nourished from time to time, with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I've begun wondering if when we have this revolution (not if, but when) will it be an American Revolution, or a French Revolution. Our Revolution was relatively bloodless, with only british soldiers being attacked, while in France, they painted the streets red with blood, and the innocent and guilty both lost their heads. About as many as there are illegal immigrants that can vote.
I honestly believe we need to go back and start doing things the way the constitution says they are to be done.

Thomas Paine, where he alive today, would be screaming about government intrusion, and would be calling for another rebellion.

“The tree of liberty needs to be nourished from time to time, with the blood of tyrants and patriots.”

I’ve begun wondering if when we have this revolution (not if, but when) will it be an American Revolution, or a French Revolution.

Our Revolution was relatively bloodless, with only british soldiers being attacked, while in France, they painted the streets red with blood, and the innocent and guilty both lost their heads.

]]> By: mary ann http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7410 mary ann Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:45:09 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7410 If you think this administration should change the rules on 'ID required for voting', you are wrong. The left wants no part of making voting an honest act- how many dead people do you know who have IDs? If you think this administration should change the rules on ‘ID required for voting’, you are wrong. The left wants no part of making voting an honest act- how many dead people do you know who have IDs?

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/05/from-the-pen-of-david-horowitz-september-5-2009/#comment-7409 Jonathan Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:56:11 +0000 http://newsrealblog.com/?p=6574#comment-7409 Not the only way. There are better ways. But, it will happen when the thrust of history moves us to that point. It will happen. I just hope it doesn't come to late, and with the wrong people calling the shots. Not the only way. There are better ways. But, it will happen when the thrust of history moves us to that point. It will happen. I just hope it doesn’t come to late, and with the wrong people calling the shots.

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