"Green Jobs Czar" is a 9-11 'Truther'
It’s now been discovered that Van Jones, President Obama’s “Green Jobs Czar” is a member of the 9-11 “Truther” movement. Â Glenn Beck told viewers tonight that although he wanted to lead his program with this revelation, in fairness to the White House he held off until half-way into his show to give the administration time to respond. Â They never did. Â While some might think that Beck gets unduly agitated about some of his topics, this ought to be truly chilling to anyone with more than two functioning brain cells. Â Beck reported that Jones’ signature appears on the 9-11 Truth Statement, an open letter demanding an investigation into whether the United States government knew about the attacks in advance and allowed them to happen or even worse — deliberately staged them for some unstated benefit to Bush administration insiders. Â His name appears along with the signatures of Ed Asner, Janine Garafolo, former GA Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, and then-president of Code Pink, Jodie Evans.
How has this man been allowed to get this close to a sitting U.S. President?  As Beck correctly pointed out, there are only two possible answers to that question:  1) Total incompetence on the part of  FBI officials tasked with the vetting process for presidential advisors; or (both more likely and much more serious): 2) President Obama has known all along about this and other alarming facts regarding Mr. Jones and has no problem with any of them.
Think about that for a moment.
Newsreal’s bloggers have been following the Van Jones controversy for some time now (see here, here, and here), but at this point some very serious questions need to be asked. Â As guest Michelle Malkin told Beck on this same show:
“I think it’s very important to look at what he (Jones) did, particularly in the San Francisco and Oakland schools. Â This man was unleashed on classrooms during the late 1990s to crusade on behalf of Mumia Abu-Jamal (a notorious convicted cop killer).”
Jones, it has also been reported, founded Copwatch in the San Francisco bay area in the 1990s. Â This organization, among other things, has fomented antagonism and racial grievances between minorities and law enforcement. Â Another of their key objectives was apparently to undermine California’s juvenile justice system. Â According to Michelle Malkin’s research, Jones has been working hard to create a synthesis between his hard left anti-American belief system and radical environmentalism. Â It is this sort of “stealth” hybrid ideology which he has now brought to the White House as one of President Obama’s closest advisors.
Beck also pointed out that Jones recently gave a speech addressed to San Quentin inmates, urging them to get released and then help him “Form a cadre to repower and retrofit America.” Â Malkin quite understandably wondered, “Just what exactly does that mean?” Â Furthermore, according to Malkin, Valerie Jarrett, White House Senior Advisor, who was the driving force in bringing Van Jones into Obama’s closest circle, is also very close with Michelle Obama, who apparently shares Black Nationalist and radical sympathies.
Is it reasonable to ask now whether Barack Obama’s true agenda is even more radical than some of his harshest critics claimed during the presidential campaign? Â You decide.
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Did you see him write his name? Do you have any proof other than a name on a website that could have been submitted by anyone? I really doubt 9/11 Truth asked for ID. Therefore this is all just wild speculation. Please STFU.
Hey Ben,
I didn’t see John Handcock sign the Declaration of Independence, but his signature is there, and I believe he actually signed it. I really doubt you have to be so nasty just to try to make a point, but then, that’s what a true liberal does. Can’t express yourself coherently? Then reach for the nasty words and comments. Works every time!
Van might be the man to put POTUS in the can. Obam’s shower now in power.
Wait until the new FCC diversity “special advisor” to Obama, Mark Lloyd, gets outted by Glenn Beck. Mr Lloyd is another highly disturbed communist and black nationalist sympathizer who now has the “big” ear of the Pretender-In-Chief. Go Glenn Go!
In the interests of full disclosure, I am not a Progressive, or even a Democrat. (I used to be one, but that was when I was youthfully idealistic. Now I’m jaded & cyincal.) In fact, I only developed my new “news hobby” back in September, when the economy went into the toilet. Having said all that, I went to one of the Tea Party Express gatherings yesterday, which was about a 2-hour drive away. I listened to talk radio both going & coming. I say this because: I heard about the Van Jones “truther” connection on the Rush Limbaugh show with guest host Mark Steyn (funnier than Monty Python!) and on the Sean Hannity show. I also later read that Michelle Malkin had this information on her blog, & the “heads-up” came from Breitbart. I might have even heard it on Beck’s radio show, but I can’t swear to that right at this moment.
My point is this: Beck’s announcement on his TV show was only a “surprise” to people who ONLY watch the Beck show on TV. In fact, Glenn said that he only found out about the “truther” business “a couple of hours ago,” which is patently not true, but definitely made for a (melo)dramatic presentation.
Now, I like the Glenn Beck show & find it informative, as well as entertaining. I, too, wonder what is really going on. I, too, am VERY disturbed by what’s going on in our country today, & it has absolutely nothing to do with what color anybody is. David Horowitz is my new hero, whom I discovered on said Beck TV show, & I appreciate this website (& Discover the Networks) very, very much. I’m just saying we shouldn’t drink Kool-Aid, no matter WHO is handing it out.
There’s always something new surfacing with regards to Obama’s past. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out he co-wrote a few tunes on 2 Live Crew’s last studio album.
OMG! Obama has people working for him that have radical connections to organizations that hate the USA and want to see it’s downfall? I think Ben is right! Don’t you think that the American people are smart enough to see this for themselves? Or do you think they’re blind and stupid and would actually vote for Obama for president?…. Oh , wait a tic… Never mind.
Oh and Ben…STFU ?Still Thinks Freedom Unamerican
When it comes to this Democrat Party and this president, YOU CAN”T WAIT. They are always planning something they can get away with. Give them and inch and they will take a mile, especially this president.
I called several agencies to see how they could allow a known communist and the other questionable CZARS to work for the government, answers I got were -
1- Its not there job to check
2- Pray
Thats why this president has gotten away and able to do what ever he wants. What needs to happen is to VOTE THEM ALL OUT. DO NOT VOTE FOR A
DEMOCRAT under any condition, until America get control of this awful and dangerous issues that is threatening our Freedom and Safety.
Rome burns while congress fiddles:
State Department guards in Afghanistan (Photo: gawker.com)
http://www.motherjones.com/files/ArmorGroup%20Photos.pdf
Drunken brawls, prostitutes, hazing and humiliation, taking vodka shots out of buttcracks— no, the perpetrators of these Animal House-like antics aren’t some depraved frat brothers. They are the private security contractors guarding Camp Sullivan, otherwise known as the US Embassy in Kabul.
These allegations, and many more, are contained in a letter sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday by the Project on Government Oversight
Say, How is that open hand, unclenched fist working fer you!
N Korea ‘at final uranium stage’
US officials have long suspected North Korea has been operating a parallel uranium weapons programme
North Korea is in the final stages of enriching uranium, the country’s state media has said, a process that could give it a second way to make nuclear bombs.
According to the official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA), North Korean officials have informed the UN Security Council that the process of enrichment was entering “the completion phase”.
The country has already tested two plutonium-based nuclear weapons and has long been suspected of running a parallel effort to develop uranium-based weapons.
I think this is a symptom of using Czar’s instead of congressionally vetted and interviewed cabinet positions. Unlike the congressional appointments, which have to pass stringent questioning, the presidential appointments just have to pass the overworked FBI.
The obvious solution it to get rid of the Czar’s and follow the constitution.
Sure we will vote them out in a few years, apprarently some of you are still living under the delusion that we live in a ‘Nation of Laws”
Sleep on brothers, you will have a nasty awakening, Soon enough!
My mantra has been ” the President is only as good as his advisors”. This is the first time I’m inordinately concerned but somewhat relieved (I now know I can trust my intuition).
For all those moderate and conservative Democrats and the few misguided Republicans that voted for Obama “Be careful what you ask for, you might get it”.
JBT
Mr Obama has many radicals bent on “changing our country who are advising him, and if all had been listening prior to last November to Glenn, Sean, Rush, etc. we would not be hoping today that Van Jones gets the axe this weekend, and please don’t hold your breath. Had we paid attention to the “sermons” given by his Minister of 20 years, Rev. Wright, his relationship with Ayers and and his long personal friendship with Valerie Jarrett, we would have known that Barack Obama hates America and all that it stands for. Too late, too late. All we can hope for now is to stop the passage of anything he attempts to push through Congress. His ultimate goal, I firmly believe, is to take this country into financial ruin, and he very well may succeed. There are other “advisers” to Mr. Obama whom Glenn has exposed and is still researching. I can only say “Thank you, Lord” for Glenn Beck. Now at last, Van Jones has became “a person of interest” to other conservatives (all over Fox News last night) and although I have an aversion to listening to TMSM, I should think they’d have to cover this story, even if it has a somewhat different slant. We must be rid of him, at least out of the White House, and then expose the others.
More surprising is that everyone is surprised this is they type of people that Barack Obama has chosen as his team.
This is the Progressive Party that calls white police “STUPID”, frees radical and violent members of the Black Panthers caught on video intimidating voters, diverts hundreds of billions of $$$ to select big corporations – those that unions were heavily invested in, …..
No surprise here.
Maybe, all this is a “WAKE-UP” call to take the voting process seriously and to rid our government of the conglomeration of ‘jesters’ deciding our future.
Anyone thinking IMPEACHMENT? What is required? Do we HAVE to wait until he completely ruins the country in 4 years or less?
In process, Ms. Frazier
Not a peep from CNN and the rest of the “mainstream media” about Van Jones and his “OTHER ACTIVITIES!”…Don’t we vet czar’s? I find it VERY disturbing. Let’s deal in the facts. They don’t lie. I think he needs to resign…T. Hunter
Everything cost money, but we can’t give up. We have to stop this attack on America. All I can stress is 2010 and 2012 elections we must stress to all Americans elect anyone other than a Democrat. We have to take back the power of the Senate and Congress, that goes for Local Elections also.
We all await our president’s speech to Congress next week, it should be quite explanitory and enlightening. How can he justify his position rationally, remains mystifying in light of the failures of his programs to date.
One wonders how long certain news outlets will continue to ride that doomed express.
fiftyfifty you said…. President Obama your silent revolution has failed stand down and surrender.
Obama’s silent revolution has not failed, it is well and running simply because the people still think he is god.. and until the people themselves do something America will just continue to be turned into either a communist country or a Muslim country, take you choice..
Americas are to bowed down with sickness and apathy to do anything and will not wake up until it is tooooo late..
And as for the twin towers being an American job, anyone knows that when you pull the plug on a building that you blow it from the bottom not three quarters of the way up.. We also know that it would have taken months and thousands of men to set the charges to be able blow it, and with all the cables, ammunitions, and mess around the place for months it would have been seen and questions asked, but no one has yet come forward to say that they saw any of this for months before Sep 11th..
Regarding Van Jones and his kind: I have no use for what his activities are or have been. With exception:
I don’t know if this guy is a “Truther” and/or a “Birther” but I am both.
When the CIA can explain to me (this is just one example of many inconsistencies) how it was possible for a 12′ hole in the un-occupied section of the Pentagon was caused by an passenger-type aircraft with a 157′ wingspan (leaving absolutely no physical evidence)then I may re-consider their Mother Goose theries about 9/11:
When something other than a bureaucrat’s statement (‘I have observed this official Hawaii State document’) is offered for the integrity of BH Obama’s birth certificate (when it is common knowledge that Hawaii did not even become a state until two after Obama purported birth in 1957) then I may take another look at the Birthers’ claims also.
I hope Van Jones stays as he will be a constant reminder of Obama’s true communist mission in this country. Jones will kinda be like Carter’s brother Billy who was photographed whizzing in an airport field (something that is there, that really happened but damn do we have to talk about it?).
The President was born on Aug. 4, 1961. Hawaii illegally became a state in 1959, so I’m a little confussed on the point your trying to make.
Who is Sick Willie?
I’m going to reply to two replies with this one.
First:
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The President was born on Aug. 4, 1961. Hawaii illegally became a state in 1959, so I’m a little confussed on the point your trying to make.
Carole, what do you mean by illegally? From what I remember from my history class, Hawaii was a protectorate long before 1951. And in 1959, the people who lived there had an honest election and voted to become a part of the united states.
And Keith,
Even though I don’t think the government really had anything to do with 9/11, except in not allowing the CIA to work with the FBI and local law enforcement. I too would like to know what hit the pentagon, since the plane that was heading that way went down in Pennsylvania. I am under the impression that it might have been a drone or a missile strike.
This statment from Keith (Hawaii did not even become a state until two after Obama purported birth in 1957), I was taking he was saying Obama born two years before Hawaii became a state.
Sorry if I miss understood.
Second question – There had to be four planes flying into the US. Two that hit the towers, one that hit the Pentagon , and the forth that went down in the field. That is not correct? I will find out. But I think that is correct.
Common sense tells you who Obama is and what he’s up to. He’s a radically dangerous person with evil, racism and hatred inside of him. He is not fit to be leader of this country, when in fact he’s trying to destroy it. America has woken up. We have an anemy who lied his way into power. He is America’s #1 Enemy Now that things are so very clear, we just need to gather our ammo , call up our groups and wait for the switch to be turned on. Personally, I cant wait. I dont like Radical Racists America hating liars.
It’s unbelievable that wanting a more thorough investigation for an undeniably murky set of circumstances surrounding the 9/11 attacks makes you somehow unfit for office. FBI whistelblower Coleen Rowley can attest to their failure to follow up on important leads. Funny how so many in here craft a conspiracy scenario in your dismissal of those questioning the official 9/11 conspiracy theory.
He is a know self acclaimed Communist. You don’t see anything wrong allowing him to work in the White House? Are you saying its ok, and the rest of them, one who wants to put chemicals in the water so no women can give birth? Your also saying that its OK to shut down Cable News, Radio News, and we only listen to government news? All this that takes away our Freedom of Speech. Your OK with all that? I’m a little confused in what you are saying
Mommy… Is it time for my medicine?
Boy is that correct…
I just got through reading the 5000 year leap, and in it, I found something I’d never come across before.
Did you know that the founding fathers considered it Treason to be a socialist and a communist? If you were a socialist or a communist, you were barred from serving in the congress/senate, and you could never be president?
Interesting how our current batch of leaders are all traitors.
I agree, but how in the world can we get them out.. If its ok with you I will take your not without your name and send it out across the country in all newspapers. I will also send it to democrats. If you have another idea let me know. If you do not want to to send anything let me know that also. I did send your note to Glenn Beck, hope that was ok
CJ
I will give my opinion:
President Obama was legally elected to his position because the American people were fed up with the government spinning out of control. He advocated change to win. That is not in dispute. What is in dispute is that his change actually has been to increase the governments control: socialism.
Like most politicians, they say one thing and do the opposite. We’ve let them get away with this too long.; our fault.
Our only recourse is in Congress and the hope that our representatives save us all from a failed ideology. We have to go after those folks while calling out the Whitehouse whenever they try to con us. (In progress)
Special interest groups have become so powerful, they have taken over the majority of the news servises. That is quite obvious to all of us. What is their motive; money=survival.
The internet has served us well and we should thank all those who have given us the opportunity to express our opinions.
Thank you, David (Either one or both and then some)
Point taken, David. If we were to define treason, would the following be a good definition?
“Giving aid and comfort to any foreign entity that is opposed to the freedom and liberty that we enjoy under the constitution of the United States, or giving aid and comfort to any despot, or any person who attempts to subvert the constitution.”
Would that, then include people who aid Castro, Chavez, and the ousted ex-president of Honduras? Would that, then brand people traitor who give aid and comfort to al-queda and Hamas, and people who give aid to the Iranian President?
When dealing with Obi and the Democrats, there is no center only right, Moderate Republicans are RINOs. But the people are beginning to understand.
Your agenda has failed, is failing and will fail.
David,
That narrows down the language a lot, and it helps. I’m an independant, but I love my country, and I love the constitution.
In your learned opinion, what would you call a President and Secretary of State that go hold hands with Chavez and Castro, and then take the side of the honduran ex-president?
Sad, Misguided? Could it all be considered treason? After all, Chavez and Castro are communist and socialist, and have said that they would love to see America destroyed.
In addition, what would you consider a congressman that goes to Syria and buddy-buddies with Hamas, and then holds them up as an example of what we should be?
I’m really curious here.
Thanks for the enlightening words.
LanceThruster
What are you talking about?
I agree with David S., and think that while many of Hillary’s actions have been inappropriate, they cannot be taken as treasonous. We have to understand that Hillary Clinton is not trying to “destroy” her country. Her philosophical thought and belief system is that our nation and culture has to be remade. She believes, naively, I might add, that the state is the only real “hope” of remaking society. Her “politics of meaning” has a lot in common with the God-state Progressivism of John Dewey, Woodrow Wilson and other left-wing Hegelians. She really believes, naively as I have stated, that the state and state power (run by elites like her, of course) is the only savior of America and mankind. This is why she (and many other liberals like her) are addicted to the expansion of state power. And they must be stopped – by We the People . . .
What I don’t get is how these fools who shill for the truthers explain away Feb. 1993. The same bunch of terrorist , who attacked the towers then, are the same ones who attacked the towers in 2001. How was our government involved then? (I ask this only for entertainment purposes. )
I guess that puts the Clinton’s and their ilk dead center of the …Da da daaaaaaaaaaa…conspiracy!
Ben – Van Jones in his words I sign it but I didnt read it Velerie Jerrett loves
Jones’s thinking
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government. President Obama your silent revolution has failed stand down and surrender
Special note to our U.S. Military we know your tired so go ahead sit this one out thank you for keeping us safe.and thank you to former President George w. Bush and former V.P. Dick Cheney
Obama doctrine is day by day the rules of engagement restricting the use of aggressive action against
our enemy’s his wish is to Afghanistanization the war of necessity. January 20th 2009 Iraq war was 90%
won Obama has already Iraqization that war. I’m sure Vietnamization well come back to you.
the 1960’s cut and run war protesters.the slaughter after we pulled out
The war exacted a huge human cost in terms of fatalities, including 3 to 4 million Vietnamese, 1.5 to 2 million Laotians and Cambodians” we cannot let this happen again. when the USSR pulled out Afghanistan that was when Alqaeda started flexing there muscles
Obama and his administration has no problem NOT prosecuting the terrorist that attacked and killed Americans on 9/11 setting free the Uss Cole bomber.
Obama is abusing his authority and power by declaring war on freedom on liberty and choice. Exploiting our children to get out his message of deceit Thur Amer/corp and Acorn and our schools First Lady Michelle Obama handle’s the insurgents message from the East Wing.
Engaging the tactic’s of intimidation Attorney General Eric Holder trying to demolished the Central Intelligence Agency CIA’s credibility. which democrats have done since 1947. Who said you can only be white to do racial profiling CIA along with any citizen who dare speak against this administration.
Obama’s transformation is well on its way his revolutionary czar’s are in place civilian casualties by any means necessary torture is still on the table public opinion apologizing isn’t a option. Remember establishing intimidation and arrogance in all discussions is key.
The Obama oath In death fear not guilt death is honor by association.
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.
I fear no one but myself and my ability’s Interpretation is the revenge policies will be ridiculed without mercy
Didn’t see Charles Carroll of Carrollton sign the Declaration of Independence either, does that mean it didn’t happen. I don’t think so!!!
Hey Ole Ben,
And Slick Willy didn’t inhale either did he? We need folks, such as yourself and Slick Willy, around for entertainment. keith
Regarding the timeline concern. All of these shows communicate their findings to each other so as to increase the accountablity of each broadcast. Beck did uncover this info (it was provided to him by Brietbart TV) earlier. I saw the tweet come across before his 9AM est braodcast. Also, he disclosed it on his radio broadcast. His TV audience demographic does not include his entire broadcast demographic. If you listen to the AM show, you will generally find that the AM broadcast comprises a more in depth analysis of what is said on TV. It’s not kool-aide. It is a very efficient way of informing the maximum number of citizens.
Additionally, Al Kerpen was scheduled to appear on the show in place of this announcement. Beck changed the schedule hours before (as verified by Mr. Kerpen himself tweeting he was prepended). I do not beleive Mr. Beck deliberatly mislead his TV audience for dramatic effect. I beleive the “hours before” statement (taken in context) was originally mentioned (on TV) in regards to the changing of the shows format that day (several times). Perhaps Stu (who incidentally has responded to comments on this blog in the past) may offer a comment regarding as such?
Thanks, In The Know! I feel much better. I realize that everyone is not in a position to hear/see all this stuff during the daytime, but I work at night. So, thanks for your input – I really appreciate it! On my path to becoming more informed, I’m trying really, really hard not to be “sucked in” by anyone because of my own naivete.
Sorry, Phil Kerpen.
I looked up how to impeach a President, I don’t think we would have no support to make that happen.. So what else could we do, does anyone out there have an ideas? suggest legally!
This is what should be sent to all newspapers throughout.
IMPEACHMENT, IS THAT AMERICA’S ANSWER?
If our government and present President
refuses to listen us WE The People, what
alternative does Americans have?
The Congress and the Senate have no courage
to stand up to the White House, and the White House
seems to only listen to all the CZARS. So what is left?
What alternative does Americans have to protect America?
I don’t have the answer, but I do know that America
can not take another 3 1/2 more years of this President.
This is not the change he was put in to do.
But again he refuses to listen. Just ignores us.
To not start Impeachment efforts, we ask Obama to
1- Get rid of ALL the CZARS, throw them out of the White House
2- Start listening to American, that you serve
3- Produce you Long Form Birth Certificate, Passport, School Doc,
Anything that would show you are a Natural Born American Citizen,
just like every other Senator has had to do. That can be Verified.
If this request is not done, then Americans must
think and act on what we really do not want to do.
If he continues along his current path, the legislators must do what their constituents want them to do, but too many cowards have been elected for us to hope they do the right thing for our country. It is quite distressing to observe.
I have an idea. We have a lot of talk going around regarding the Health Care Plan Washington wants to put on us. Why not just include the idea of impeachment?
Include it in the Town Hall Meetings. Not just a quick reference BUT, a real discussion on it.
Your right this country can not afford 3 1/2 more years of the Administration. We will never get this country back on track.
Well lets get people to write and call there Representatives. Write Newspapers across the country. Lets get started we have a lot of work to do.
Let me know if I can help
You are by expressing yourself here and in your local news media.
I have given up trying to reach my Congresswoman via telephone, Email and snail mail. I believe that not a few democrats in the House worry about being voted out of office when
their districts are mostly made up of their race and or illegals. I’ve been a Democrat all my life and sadly I voted for Obama. Now I regret it. I never thought it could get worse than Bush; I was wrong. All we can do is peacefully protest, hunker down and weather the red storm and pray that Obama and his ilk are voted out. Maybe this is the wake up call America has been needing. Rangel and the congresswoman from California who showed her true color (RED) by praising Fidel Castro, are the racists, and people like Van Jones. the New Black Panther Party, Acorn and the like, their fledgling army. They will fail, of course.
Ordinary Americans are the only ones held accountable for all these laws.
I send to Newspapers through out the Country… I get tired, but refuse to quit.
Watch Glenn Beck Show Fox News 5 pm est. M thru F pass the word on to everyone you know
It is “Standard Operating Procedure” for government officials to ignore conplaints as you may well have experienced even at the lowest levels.
In Mansfield, Ohio an impeachment process against the mayor has been initiated and financing is the stumbling block for the average citizen to overcome.
They have enacted laws of immunity to remain in power while too many of us were watching “American Idol”.
I worry about today not yesterday Gods got the pass you can trust me on this call
is done That black wall in Washington for its revenge with no mercy Obama ridiculed with pain A.P.C. in reverse.
What is APC in Reverse
Saul [A]linsky alone with radical socialist Columbia University professors , Richard Andrew [C]loward and Frances Fox [P]iven
Alinsky Piven Coward = APC I can tell you way to understand all this BS.
Not a valid argument in light of his present status and his programs which are the issues that concern us. Lou Dobbs dropped it, belately, I might add.
Bill Clinton, the cigar man.
Actually I have it on good information that the Truthers are actually the ones who brought down the towers! They conspired to create the illusion of a government conspiracy, so conspirators ,who otherwise would have been suspected, are now throwing suspicion on themselves instead, in hopes of confusing the government conspirators who originally were at odds with the original 911 conspirators.
Mommy… Is it time for my medicine?
Can you tell me exactly where you found this information?
That’s interesting considering that Karl Marx wasn’t born until 1818! Who knew John Adams and Thomas Jefferson could see the future?
Give me a quote with a proper citation and then I’ll think about it.
But it makes just as much sense as the Truthers logic. Or maybe…Mrs. Frazier is also part of the conspiracy who thinks the Truthers are trying to…
Hey! How dare you come in my house without a warrent! Get Out! Don’t taze me bro!!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
…………..
Subverting the intent of the constitution is treasonist, no need to argue about it any further or search for specifics. We are not being represented when we are ignored.
“The Utopian schemes of leveling (redistribution of the wealth,) and a community of goods (central ownership of all the means of production and distribution), are as visionary and impracticable as those which vest all property to the crown. (These ideas) are aribitrary, despotic, and in our government unconstitutional. (Wells, life of Samual Adams, 1:154)
Since they set down the rights and responsibilities of the government and the people in the constitution, any one that works against the constitution or the country, by definition, is a traitor.
Is that the way you’d see it Mr. Swindle?
Anyone who tries to overturn the constitution and replace it with some other form of government would be a “traitor.”
The quote you provide from Samuel Adams doesn’t translate into your statement “If you were a socialist or a communist, you were barred from serving in the congress/senate, and you could never be president?”
There’s nothing stopping a communist or socialist from becoming president. There never has been. And in instituting socialism under their reign I’m sure they’d claim they were defending the constitution. They’d just argue that it should be interpreted in a radically different fashion than we conservatives do.
Since the holding of socialist or communistic ideas was unconstitutional (based on what Adams said,) wouldn’t that make a socialist or a communist someone who ran contrary to the Constitution, and wouldn’t that bar them from serving as a congressman or senator, or even president, since their oaths include upholding the constitution.
Since we are a republic (not a democracy,) wouldn’t you consider what the current administration is trying to do as an act of Treason? They are trying to push this country toward socialism (if not downright communism.) As well, as their holding sway with communist and socialist leaders, such as Chavez, Castro, and the ousted Honduran President who tried to turn himself into a despot?
I look forward to hearing what you think.
I did ask the Federal Government almost the same question when I was allowed to talk to an agent. He said that anyone can say there whatever, but you would have to have hard evidence that they are still IN the Communist party, they I was told to Pray.
Your definition of treason is so broad as to be useless. By that definition you could argue that every president and congressman (both Dems and Republicans) who has created a program or expanded government in any way is a traitor to his country.
Further, you’ve ignored my point that a socialist would claim they were upholding the constitution and could thus then not be breaking their own. They just interpret it differently than we do.
Also the use of this language has no sense of pragmatism or realism. It’s harsh rhetoric that alienates more moderate voters from being persuaded over to the Right. As Horowitz wrote recently we need to distinguish between the hard radicals who genuinely are traitors that hate America and the misguided liberals. Don’t slap them all with the “treason” stamp, my friend.
Well that can still be pretty broad. According to wikipedia:
Oran’s Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as:
“…[a]…citizen’s actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation].”
I mean what’s “aid and comfort”? Very subjective. One could argue that by writing an editorial that doesn’t condemn Castro or defends something Castro did or doesn’t condemn Islamists one is giving “aid and comfort” to the enemy and is thus committing treason.
You could argue that in choosing to not allow the US government to waterboard terrorists Barack Obama is giving “aid and comfort” to the enemy and is committing treason. Doesn’t seem like a very productive road to go down.
This argument is a demonstration of a point that’s been on my mind a lot lately: we define words in “hard” or in “soft” ways depending on what our objectives are with using those words. And we can define “treason” in such a way that our political opponents fall into it. But is that really a productive thing to do? And by that I mean: is that going to help defend America?
Let me lay my personal bias out here: one of my agendas is to articulate a big tent conservatism — to join the Center and the Right in defense of America. I want to teach more people how to love America and American Freedom. Calling Obama a traitor or suggesting he’s committing treason does not aid that pragmatic objective.
Who’s talking about dealing with Obama and the Democrats? I’m talking about capturing the 40% of Americans who identify as independent and who effectively decide who the President is. I’m talking about the remaining centrist Democrats (about 35% of the party perhaps.)
You know nothing about politics if you think the Right can muster enough votes to win on its own without the independent center. I’d like to hear some sensible alternative strategy if you reject my idea of trying to get more moderates and centrists over to our side.
Obama and Hillary held hands with Castro? Did I miss something?
The actions that you list could rightfully be considered out of line and inappropriate but “treason”?
“Treason” really requires an active conspiracy to overthrow the government and the constitution.
That stragety worked for the far left last election, but extremists still won’t achnowledge that fact, David.
The majority rejects extremists and that is why everyone is upset.
“Mommy… Is it time for my medicine?”All it would really take would be for you to pull your head out to allow some oxygen to reach your brain.
Highly-Credible People Question 9/11
(see: http://www.911summary.com/ )
Sell that idea to Oliver Stone and he’ll make a movie out of it.
Dear Lance,
“Pull my head out?”
Such caustic wit! Forgive my humorous approach towards your loony Truthers scam for otherwise I would be crying instead. ‘Highly credible people’, also is a sad term. Highly credible people believe in many other foolish and stupid things but this does not change those pesky little ‘facts’! It seems there is this ‘Religion of peace’ connection to the 911 terrorist attack the keeps popping up. But because of the conspiracy fools and their ilk, the real ‘truth’ keeps getting pushed to the back burner and we set ourselves up for future attacks. So thank you,’Lance’, and all you other ,Truthers’, for putting me and my family and the rest of the country a little closer to a horrible and painful death.
ABC made “Path to 9/11″ which depicted Dubya as everything he’s not (such as competent) so you aren’t bother much it seems by fiction.
Reality has a liberal bias. The BushCo thugs ignored the pesky little facts that Saddam & Iraq were not involved in the 9/11 attacks (though they tried their damnedest to doctor the intel accordingly).
Seems as if you have a sliding scale of ethics. We had thousands of innocent people killed on 9/11 over a political beef, and our response is to kill thousands (hundreds of thousands, actually) of innocent people over a political beef.
The thing most increasing the danger to you and your family is your ignorance (and those of the leaders you enable). That same ignorance is a blight on the nation and has alienated much of the world (whose cooperation is one of the things that helps provide mutual safety).
You believe the official 9/11 conspiracy theory as put forth by the 9/11 Commission. That is your “truth” but that somehow does not make you a “truther”. Your mindset is is the very thing that makes false flag attacks so effective, and that puts the Republic at greater risk from the toxic combination of Machiavellian leadership and easily led sheeple (as established by raising terror alerts for political gain).
If you and your family want to sleepwalk through life, that’s your prerogative, but don’t pretend that it’s a noble act or that it benefits any of your fellow citizens.
Narrow it down cj and I might be able to help you.
The ‘political belief ‘ you so obviously wish to ignore is the Islam has been at war with everyone who is not Islamic since it’s conception 1400 years ago. To blame the USA for a festering hatred millennial old is foolish and counter productive. I have no scale. I believe that we were attacked by a religion that has only one objective and that is to make the entire world Islam, or kill everyone who refuses. And as the saying goes, not all Muslims are terrorist but most terrorist are Muslims.
The regular unproven blather of how bush tried to doctor intel,(Never proved),
hundreds of thousands killed.(less than 20,000 by us , the other 40 to 60 thousand by fellow Muslims)
My ignorance stems from the belief that some of my fellow Americans have agendas that are counter intuitive to common sense but may one day wake and see beyond their brown stained noses. Since 911 there have been thousands of killings and attacks by Muslims throughout the world.
These are the fault of America too? Please , your the sheep, bleating what every liberal says to justify the inevitability of their own slavery and everyone around them. We don’t sleepwalk. We hope you wake up before it’s too late. That’s why the Truthers are so suspect. Their slight of hand pseudo logic makes it harder for people to see whats going on. They are aiding and abetting our enemies. And please don’t pretend that turning against your country is some noble act or that it benefits any of your fellow citizens.
oldwolves – so much foolishness in your post to deal with. I’ll just point out that Xians have long been masters of punishing those who believe differently. They don’t quite as much as they used to because they longer have the power to do so, not because they don’t want to impose their “order” on others.
Constructive criticism of America (certainly as a citizen of it) is one of the things necessary to help guide it. It’s the Reich Wing that keeps screaming about secessionism and revolution because they’re not getting their way.