No Naomi Wolf, You Apologize
Naomi Wolf is “simply appalled” at my “misrepresentation” of her disposition toward Muslim veiling on my recent NewsReal blog. She has asked my boss, David Horowitz, to “remove this falsehood from your site and correct the record.” She has also made similar demands of Phyllis Chesler, who has also touched on Wolf’s totalitarian odyssey in a recent Pajamas Media piece.
Wolf insists that she does not find the burqa “sexy” and that she does not wish to institutionalize it, even though her recent piece in the Sydney Morning Herald is entitled Behind the Veil Lives a Thriving Muslim Sexuality and discusses how, upon her travels to Morocco, Jordan, and Egypt, she found a lot of hot sexuality going on because of the veil (i.e. marital sex is steamy when women cover up and show themselves only to their husbands, etc.).
There is something eerily pathological about Wolf’s pretension to have made some kind of amazing discovery in finding human nature existent in the Muslim world. She found sexuality – as if someone in the West, probably an evil Republican in Wolf’s imagination, believes that Muslim women are not interested in sex. The issue, of course, is not that anyone says people in the Muslim world do not enjoy sex, or yearn for sex. The issue is that women are not free to make their own choices without fear of punishment – an issue that a leftist like Wolf, unsurprisingly, deliberately ignores.
Reminiscent of creepy and pathetic tales that fellow travelers told (about what they had “learned”) upon their returns from Stalinist Russia and Maoist China, Wolf comes back to share the news. Many Muslim feminists, she implores, apparently told her that they wish that we Westerners would focus on examples of women’s rights in their societies rather than on “what they wear.”
Sorry Naomi Wolf, the mere fact that someone told you something does not erase the reality of how tyrannical structures employ dress codes to wield various forms of oppression. If Jews were, for instance, once again forced, in any given society, to suddenly start wearing particular articles of clothing to identify and distinguish themselves from other people, should those of us who are concerned suddenly become unconcerned merely because a Jewish person in that society told you to tell us not to worry about it?
Not that you know or care anything about history, but there is a reason why despotisms and apartheid structures create dress codes. The enforcement of such codes plays a crucial role in keeping the structures of tyranny and the enslavement of a people in check (e.g., Maoist unisex clothing had a ruthless purpose). Ms. Wolf, do you really fail to grasp the fact that dress codes in the Islamic world, such as the niqab and the burqa, play a crucial role in keeping the chains of gender apartheid in place, and that this is precisely why the guardians keep them in place?
No Ms. Wolf, I won’t stop worrying about what Muslim women are forced to wear. I care about the Muslim women who have had acid thrown in their faces, or who have been raped or killed or set aflame, because of the dress code they chose not to follow. I know you don’t care about them, because they eluded you somehow during your political pilgrimage and you have yet to utter one of their names and tell us, with heartfelt concern, what happened to them and why.
So I also can’t refrain from asking you, Naomi Wolf: Who is it exactly that you were talking to during your fascinating trip? How is it that from everything you have related, one doesn’t get the sense of any dissent or difference of opinion? Are Muslim women really not like members of the human race, all with different perspectives and opinions? Are you not uncomfortable with what you didn’t hear? With what someone may have feared to say? Did you try hard to go to the prisons, to perhaps visit a woman who had suffered incarceration because she had violated some Islamic taboos? Or to visit a woman who had been hurt in some way because she had violated the laws of the veil? Did you ask around to speak with the families of victims of honor killings?
Like the pathetic fellow travelers who have come before you, it is no surprise that from all your findings, it never occurred to you to even consider the vital questions you ought to have asked those around you – and also yourself: What if one of these women had stood apart from the crowd and voiced her dissent? What if she had announced that she did not think like the others, and that she did not approve of the veil and of the Islamic theology behind it? What if, in an environment where everyone was veiled, she had thrown the covering off of herself and run outside into the street because she wanted to do so? Could she speak of having a lover and do so without fear for her life? What would happen to such an individual after you returned to your life of comfort and privilege in the West? Would you care?
If a person traveled to the Soviet Gulag under Stalin and talked to the slave laborers and returned telling stories only of how some of the workers commented on how the slave labor helped their cardio-vascular system and had built strong muscles, what do you think our reaction should have been? If a person traveled to Auschwitz and returned to tell only that some of the surviving camp inmates related that they had really bonded with the other inmates in ways they had not bonded with others in previously in their lives, and that therefore there was happiness in Auschwitz and that we must keep that in mind, what should our reaction have been?
No parallel? No analogy?
Ms. Wolf, you cannot, with dignity, talk about any kind of veiling in the Muslim world without the context that there is a ramification, and a deadly one on myriad levels, for a woman who does not veil. Feminist hero and a survivor of Islamic oppression, Wafa Sultan, has explained this dark reality – upon which maybe you might want to reflect before you do more harm to those you are pretending to help. She writes about the veil, and how it is not a choice even when it appears to be:
In 2005, I traveled to Syria with my American friend. We visited a small Syrian Island (Erwad). My friend noticed that the majority of women in that place were head covered. I asked our tour guide to explain the reasoning behind it. I asked: “Are ALL women in this island covered? Without any hesitation he responded: “Yes, they are ALL covered except for a few whores.”
So, yes, it might be their decision, but it’s not their choice. When you make a decision, your society does not necessarily allow you to freely choose. The decision in this case is made to avoid humiliation and reprisal by the Muslim community around these women.
These are the issues that one would expect someone concerned with human dignity, freedom, social justice and women’s rights would raise when visiting and writing about the Muslim world. But these issues are clearly not for you, Naomi Wolf. Like all fellow travelers, you intentionally make yourself oblivious to the most central truth staring you right in the face: Expressions of support for a form of tyranny are utterly meaningless in a system where any contrary expression or behavior will be punished by social stigma, imprisonment, torture, and/or execution.
Feminist hero Phyllis Chesler has already issued a withering response to Wolf, explaing why Wolf won’t get an apology from her. It is difficult not to cringe while witnessing this mismatch between an intellectual heavyweight scholar — who has herself suffered under Islamic gender apartheid — and a lightweight like Wolf, whose role in all of this clearly stems not from her concern for persecuted women, but from personal narcissistic cravings to feel good about herself. Indeed, apologizing for tyrannical adversarial structures will make anti-Americanism and anti-capitalism easier for her and for her many comrades who will pat her on the back.
Once a leftist herself, Chesler had the courage and humanity to abandon her leftist faith for the sake of standing up for suffering women. Her leftist milieu made her pay the price and, like it does to all of its heretics, the Left made her into a non-person. But Chesler chose to suffer that banishment because she cared for the truth and for the victims of brutality. This is a step that Wolf, living in the luxury of praise and acclaim among her liberal and leftist friends, cannot take. She’s chosen the easier, lazier and hypocritical path: to win tremendous material and cultural rewards from an affluent society that has freed her from the drudgery of work and routines so that she has a virtually limitless amount of time to sit around and think up everything she hates about that society.
So sorry, Naomi Wolf, I won’t apologize for saying you support the institutionalization of the burqa.
First, since it appears to be over your head, the key is that the burqa is a symbol of women’s oppression under Islamic gender apartheid. And it is the natural outgrowth of the premises that underlie forced veiling of any kind.
Second, in terms of institutionalization: If you travel to despotic lands, where women face social stigma, physical violence, torture and death if they choose not to veil themselves, and if you justify veiling without stressing the consequences for not veiling, then you are in league with the oppressors — and you are calling out for, and are complicit in, the institutionalization of the burqa.
So sorry, Naomi Wolf, on this side of the battle, with real feminists such as David Horowitz, Phyllis Chesler and Robert Spencer fighting on behalf of women’s rights under Islamic gender apartheid, we are a bit reluctant to apologize to people who style themselves as feminists but who sacrifice millions of suffering Muslim women on the altar of their own narcissism and their own politics of self-indulgence. And for that, it is you who owe an apology – to your sisters in the Islamic world whom you profess to have befriended, but whom in fact you have betrayed.
Editor’s note: Get the whole story of leftist feminists’ alliance with Islamofascists in Jamie Glazov’s new book, “United in Hate: The Left’s Romance With Tyranny and Terror.”
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Well spoken, Mr.Glazov! You are a powerhouse at frontpagemag.com and your interviews are the very best. I’m learning more about Harry Stein and his liberal apostasy (hurrah!) from that recent interview. You’ve got Naomi “earth tones” Wolf in a perfect snit and turned her into unintentional quivering-with-rage entertainment. May we all hope for more!
The veil is to Islam, as the hood is to the KKK.
It too, is proudly worn as a political symbol.
Just once I would love to hear someone like Naomi Wolf own up to what she espouses. It would be so refreshing to hear her say “Yes Phyllis, I do sympathize more with Islamists because deep down I am deathly afraid of them and I am suffering from a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome.” Or simply, “You know, now that I think about it, I really do hate America.”
If Naomi Wolf is really horrified, it is only because she’s truly hearing now for the first time what she really is, which is a symphathizer, a rationalizer, and a coward.
Naomi is such a twister of ideas. I was shocked and a bit fascinated to hear her speak and develop her thoughts, but had to stop as my stomach was turning in disgust. Thank you for exposing her! and standing up to her insanity!
A cogent and comprehensivly thought-through argument which was also brilliantly written. Well done.
Muslim girls allowed to die in fire because letting them outside without being covered was the bigger crime:
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/2009%20-%20Summer/full-Bachrach.html
“Behind the veil lives a thriving Muslim sexuality” 8/30/09 by Naomi Wolf – UGH!
Ms. Wolf claims that it’s the West’s interpretation of the wearing the burqa that’s askew, misinterpreted.
Muslim women allegedly told her to look beyond what they wear and focus on their rights (or lack thereof). So this led Ms. Wolf to delve into Muslim sexuality? Hmmm
She deserves the tongue lashing she’s getting; fortunately she’s American and not subject to Sharia law – a women talking about female sexuality would certainly receive more than a tongue lashing.
JBT
The moment the woman requested the retort to be banned demonstates the weakness of her argument and the principles of her cause–shut up!
Prostituting yourself for sexual gratification is a virtue to feminists and to all of the girls and women they have influenced
Promiscuity, being free to poison your body with chemicals, contracting STD’s, and killing your own children when your acts produce a new life are their highest principles and values.
The normal family unit must be disbanded to “protect” women from losing their freedom to kill their minds, bodies, and souls.
Well perhaps Wolf’’s support of covered women is a sexual fetish she is yet to expose? After all the things she could mention regarding crimes against women, THIS was the crux of her opinion? Sad! Sick and sad!
A damn fine piece, Jamie. Ms. Wolf’s article was pure dhimmitude. It is not that Islam is so strong, it is that we are so ignorant and Ms. Wolf seems to choose ignorance in a deliberate manner.
Phyllis is hero (and a great scholar) and represents universal women’s rights.
Wolf is making some wild generalizations…but then again the more right wing a “Christian” institution is the more severe their dress code…Hmmm
Robert
The general attitude of the traditional feminist establishment toward the treatment of women throughout the Muslim world is shameful.
How can a Western feminist view the wearing of brassieres and skirts by non-Muslim women as a symbol of the oppression of women in Western societies, yet view the wearing of burqas by Muslim women – forced upon them by Muslim husbands who regard them as their personal property to be disposed of as they please – as a sign of sexual freedom?
How can a liberal establishment hail a book like “I Wanted to Wear Trousers”, written by an Italian teenager who refused to adopt the dress code of the conservative Italian community in which she was raised, as a compelling personal account of a young woman’s struggle for sexual liberation, yet enthusiastically describe the spectacle of Muslim women walking our streets dressed in black rubbish bags as “enriching”, “vibrant” and “lending colour to our environment”?
Remember the days when Western feminists used to stage angry brassiere-burning demonstrations? Then came that book by a young Italian woman entitled “I wanted to wear trousers”, who was hailed everywhere as a feminist heroine because of her insistence on wearing trousers in a conservative Italian community that disapproved of them.
And now the entire liberal establishment is thrilled by the spectacle of Muslim women wearing burqas in our streets – these walking rubbish bags are described as lending “colour” and “vibrancy” to the urban landscape.
Sorry, please ignore the second paragraph of my post above.
It was the original draft for my post. I neglected to delete it.
Jetlagged, I’ll tell you why they’ll back the book about the Italian girl who wanted to wear pants. It’s because (much like Jews to the left, actually) we wops are dark enough to criticize but pale enough that they won’t get called racists if they do it. We’ve always only ever been sort-of-white.
Also?
“What if one of these women had stood apart from the crowd and voiced her dissent? What if she had announced that she did not think like the others, and that she did not approve of the veil and of the Islamic theology behind it? What if, in an environment where everyone was veiled, she had thrown the covering off of herself and run outside into the street because she wanted to do so? Could she speak of having a lover and do so without fear for her life? What would happen to such an individual after you returned to your life of comfort and privilege in the West? Would you care?”
YOU ROCK, Jamie.
Conformity is the antithesis of being able to think for yourself,
and make decisions based on individualism. You are molded as part
of a group, and cannot break out of that group without being
punished and ostracized. Naomi Wolf in promoting this perverse
conformity is mirroring her own enslavement to conformity, and
being a ‘true believer’ to group think. Her commitment to such
mindlessness and absurdity will cause her to be forever blind to
reality and the truth.
In Khartoum i met a young woman who poured out her heart to me. She hated the jihab, hated that her mother had sold her to a “horrible, stupid boy” who had already made her pregnant. Her father had abused her and she had tried to kill herself. She was desperate for freedom. I hated leaving her without being able to help her.
I agree with you ..,.except the part where you stick all people left of center in a box and label us fellow travelers. I am a liberal feminist democrat who has no use for Obama and his race baiting, or Miss Wolf and her light weight silliness. I voted for Palin because I was sick to death of the sexism directed at her and at Secretary Clinton and sickened by the lemming like behavior of my fellow liberals.
I believe that women on the right can be feminist and that as women we should stick together rather than buying in to the divisiveness of the old white boys club that controls both parties.
That religion is evil.
There are some really good people trapped in that backwards, dehumanizing, and imperialistic religion.
But the religion itself, is evil.
Sorry, but it is the truth.
Just look over some of these Quran verses in this post:
http://amillennialist.blogspot.com/2004/07/allah-and-his-false-prophet-command.html
I also think that evil always exists in this world.
Will we call it out, confront it? Or will we cower from it and reletivize it and excuse it?
Right, J.D.! You are a good man (as are others here and in this world).
I’m worried about trends in the West (Europe is a perfect example) to viilify those who fight evil, while giving the evil itself a pass.
Throughout history, all methods have been used to contol the multitude at their own expense. Evidently, we have not found the proper antidote.
In this life, no antidote exists.
We live, love, and are vigilant for those wolves that would devour us. And then fight.
What else are we to do?
This is the human condition.
At least we removed the bandage and uncovered the infection.
What we do next remains quite interesting, you must admit.
And how, John.
What we do (or don’t do) next will decide whether the civilized West will even survive, or not.
It is that serious.
Wow, a “thriving Muslim sexuality”!!!? Well, Ms. Wolf seems to not understand that sexuality is the only currency that these women have in the Islamic world and they darn well better please husbands because their lives depend on it. You can find this same thriving sexuality in the FLDS ….. another group that insists on covering a woman up. I wonder if she will extol the virtues of this community?
I find it impossible to label myself as a feminist because of this type of nonsense. I have requested help from people like her to highlight the human rights abuses inherent in Islam and have heard silence.
I agree. She needs to say she is sorry to every last Muslim woman who has or will lose her life to what she is praising.
a little example of an another leftist woman:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3946
only a Feminist can hate the occidental men that don’ t harm her, and love the non-occidental men (it’s exagerate call them men, I know) that rape her…
dear sabby, I’m italian, but the leftists are the same in the wide world…
the left giornalist is very angry with the holland governement that don’t pay the ranson …. but she loves the rapists of an real and passionate sentiment….
another news is this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7093020.stm
in Italy this avveniment was a real scandal, because in the italian criminal law, 40 years ago, the “Honor killing”, if proved, was a motivation for guilty diminution…
the feminists of 40 years ago, cheered to abolition of this law, that it was considered “a male chauvinist law”…Now, same female associations (not leftist) will partecipate to the process to assassins as civil part (I’don’t know the corrispondent term in english). the leftist associations, the “historical” feminists, ect., they don’t want.
why?
their official excuse was “it’ s holyday time….”
(sorry for my bad english)
Ouch! Another bulls-eye for Glazov!
I live in Greenwich Village and have seen Naomi Wolf on the street many times. Ms. Wolf is always wearing the most revealing of clothing (as Spike Lee would say, she looks looks like a 40 lb. bag of potatoes trying to fit into a 10 lb. sack). If Ms. Wolf is so in love with being covered up and wants to be free from sexually suggestive glares, perhaps she herself should cover up her short fat Rubenesque physique. Unlike certain countries which deny women clothing choices, Ms. Wolf is free to wear the burka, chador or abaya on the streets of New York.
Unfortunately Ms. Wolf is typical of the hypocritical left (often Jewish and usually rationalizing a genocidal Islamic Supremicism which has no room on the planet for Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and other non-Muslims) who revere barbaric practices of the third world while living the most pampered, wealthy and decadent lifestyles the West has to offer. As Mr. Glazunov points out so well, clearly Ms. Wolf is too narcissistic, stupid and disingenuous to distinguish true culture from a culture of oppression.
Disagree. I think that women in the Islamic world are too beaten down to feel pride. Klansmen choose to put their hoods on to empower themselves. Women in the Muslim world are forced to wear them. The only people feeling pride are the men oppressing and enslaving their women.
Agree. There are worlds of difference between the clansman’s hood, and the burqa.
To imply otherwise illustrates a true absense of critical thinking.
SYD
really? Can you give examples? I am part of that liberal feminist group and I think you are mistaking light weight third wave feminists (what I call the undertow and a friend calls “power through poll-dancing”) for the real thing.
Of those of us on the left, most of the real thing didn’t vote for Obama or held our nose to do so.
nonsense.
Do you not make up your own mind about what to do, who to have sex with, when and what happens to your body? If you do not, then who does? Why criticize women for making choices that differ from yours?
Evil exist because we embrace it, not the message.
And that is what we are in the process of doing, sir, confronting it head-on.
Cover thyself and come out only when told you may: is that progressiveness?
We must not be thwarted by letting them pit one against the other with senseless ethnic epitaths while raping us
The right for us to live together in peace has been threatened and we are responding and our opponents are reacting. In that sense, we shall prevail.
Ignore condescension and analyze substance.
Perhaps it is the dollar they seek, not the cause.
I find this occurs with too many righteous groups. Ie: A friend called the American Cancer Society for help and was told that they only accepted donations. At least they were honest.
Don’t reject feminism because Marxists have hijacked it. The cause of equal rights for women across the world is one that conservatives should take up. Think of yourself as a “Feminist Hawk.”
http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/08/24/feminist-hawks-unite/
Wow, thanks for the redirect. I will have to order Ms. Chesler’s books and see what she has to say. I am always willing to change my mind when I am presented with new information ….. new to me anyway. David, I went to an all womens university and feminism lost me at the pont of demonizing men. I just could not get to that road from where I am. I have five brothers and not a one of them is a demon. Are they different than I am? Yes, but they are not demons.
I will have to evaluate if it (feminism) has been hijacked. At this point I just don’t know if it has or is it a flaw in the whole philosophy. What Ms. Wolf is saying makes women less safe or at least I think that it does. It is absolutely incumbent that we give critical analysis on Islam here in the west where we still are free to speak ….. not buy into some unicorn fantasy. How on earth will we help the women and children in Islam if we buy into this cotton candy version? Now I get to refute some Muslim at a place like YouTube because a western “feminist” has sanctioned a burqa as the height of sexual freedom and framed it as “choice” and being respected. It is not helpful. Does she even give a thought to the development of male children in Islam? What must it be like to see their mothers and sisters so disrespected?
I do like the idea of being a hawk though. Wheeeeee! I am a hawk! LOL!
The demonizing of men is a sign of modern feminism’s kitsch Marxism. They attempt to intellectually and legally obliterate men just as Stalinists sought to eliminate “the bourgeoisie.”
The feminist cause, the African-American cause, and the gay rights cause have all been hijacked by the left and perverted through a Marxist lens. Conservatives need to take these causes back. The American Idea is accessible to women, minorities, and gays and lesbians.
To see how this was done with the Civil Rights movement see this Horowitz article here:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guides/Marxist%20Kitsch%20and%20the%20Politics%20of%20Race.htm
The concept of Kitsch Marxism is an important one for understanding the modern Left. It applies to what the Left has done with many, many issues.
Feminism is about equal rights for women, not the demonization of men. It’s RADICAL feminism that’s anti-male. Everyone who voted for Sarah Palin is a feminist because they believe that she was capable of being President — she was equal.
Sigh……. I have so much to learn and not much time considering everything that is going on in the USA. I had confined myself to being concerned and active on the human rights issues as it pertains to Islam and other polygamous groups . I had been terribly frustrated by the silence from N.O.W. on these issues. Now I get it, I so get it! These women and children do not matter to these people! Well, they matter to me. Yes, real feminist hawks unite. Now we will have to figure out a way for that word to mean something to my generation. Because I would not think you would need a label to be for equality. That just is common sense.
As for Palin. You know I would have thought feminists would have loved her. She was a mother, wife, executive, talented, pretty, vivacious, opinionated, athletic, principled and just the total “package” but they hated her. The attacks by women stunned me and boy they were vicious.
“Now we will have to figure out a way for that word to mean something to my generation.”
It’s on my to-do list.
Wow Primo! That is some article; I am blown away by it! It looks like their “left” functions exactly as ours does! I am still trying to process that she was repeatedly raped by this Taliban fighter and manages to state in the next sentence that she was “respected” by them ?????! Mr. Wilders nailed it right ….. she had “Stockholm Syndrome” before she ever went to Afghanistan. I just can not wrap my mind around her whole attitude or any of their attitudes in their Parliament. Sometimes I think that Europes biggest problem is that they quit worshipping God and started worshipping their hatred of the United States.
Then her editor got md at the Dutch government for them not to pay ransome?
Dear Primo, Your english is just fine. It was able to convey to me what you were thinking! English is my first language and I still can not spell or write! LOL! Thank you for the article. I am finding it very hard to believe that the individuals only got 30 years and 2( this one covered up the murder and helped bury her) years for the murder of this woman and their lawyer is in hopes of having the sentence reduced. Thirty years is nothing compared to the life that they took. This woman is now gone ….. she will never marry if she wanted to ….. she will never have childd children or grand children. She is just lost to the whole world and these men want a reduced sentence???
I have a question and wonder if you could answer it for me. We have a case here in he USA of a 17 year old young woman (Rifqa Bary) that is winding its way through our juvenile court system. She was born into a Muslim family and at the age of 13 secretly became a Christian. When her father found out he threatened to “kill her if she had this Jesus in her heart” . She ran away from her home in Ohio and sheltered with a Christian minister and his wife in Florida. She is appealing to the court system not to send her back to Ohio where her family lives and where the Noor Mosque is that her family attends. She is in fear for her life because she is an apostate from Islam. She fears she will become a victim of an “Homor Killing” . I spoke to a French journalist who told me that her story would not even have made it to the court system because France would immediately shelter any woman or teen that found them self in this position in a “safe house”. What would Italy do in a case like this? Do you know? Can you find out for me? I am curious to know how other counties handle this type of case. It was told to me that France recognizes that there are “Honor Killings”. As for “Honor Killings” being sexist ….. sure if you consider that more women than men are victims but men can be victims as well.
Understood.