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	<title>Comments on: Jim Wallis Has Some Funny Definitions of Moral Obligation</title>
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		<title>By: Caltchmnn</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/08/26/jim-wallis-has-some-funny-definitions-of-moral-obligation/#comment-70623</link>
		<dc:creator>Caltchmnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Wallis is not teaching Biblical principles, Jesus was not a socialist, He came to redeem people from their sins. He is what Jesus called &#039;son of perdition&#039; the lawless one.  He knows nothing about God and His real purposes for humanity. He is a thief, and a murder, liar, an idolater, he teaches &#039;doctrines of devils&#039;, he is for NWO, and that is not what Jesus Christ was all about, for He said himself, that His kingdom is NOT of this World, but a Heavenly Kingdom.  He is participating in bringing about the false Christ, a false religion, a false doctrine, he knows not the Truth, The Way, and the Light. So therefore there is no such thing as a &#039;leftist Christian&#039;, therefore he is not a Christian.  May the Real God have mercy upon his soul. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Wallis is not teaching Biblical principles, Jesus was not a socialist, He came to redeem people from their sins. He is what Jesus called &#039;son of perdition&#039; the lawless one.  He knows nothing about God and His real purposes for humanity. He is a thief, and a murder, liar, an idolater, he teaches &#039;doctrines of devils&#039;, he is for NWO, and that is not what Jesus Christ was all about, for He said himself, that His kingdom is NOT of this World, but a Heavenly Kingdom.  He is participating in bringing about the false Christ, a false religion, a false doctrine, he knows not the Truth, The Way, and the Light. So therefore there is no such thing as a &#039;leftist Christian&#039;, therefore he is not a Christian.  May the Real God have mercy upon his soul.</p>
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		<title>By: NewsReal Sunday: The Six Moral Arguments Against Socialized Medicine &#171; NewsReal Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/08/26/jim-wallis-has-some-funny-definitions-of-moral-obligation/#comment-6073</link>
		<dc:creator>NewsReal Sunday: The Six Moral Arguments Against Socialized Medicine &#171; NewsReal Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;moral&#8221; terms. Not quite the explicitly religious argument (refuted by NewsReal here, here, here and here) but still similar: Maher: And he never really effectively has yet anyway, made it a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;moral&#8221; terms. Not quite the explicitly religious argument (refuted by NewsReal here, here, here and here) but still similar: Maher: And he never really effectively has yet anyway, made it a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While everyone always asks what would Jesus do?  They often forget that he was also the one who held up a roman coin and said, &quot;Render to ceasar what is ceasars, and render to God what is God&#039;s.&quot;

Christians are directed to reach out to the poor, the sick, the widows and the orphans, but at the same time, God gave us Free will, which means that we are free to either do those things or not.

I&#039;ve always interpreted that &quot;Render to ceasar,&quot; quote as being &quot;Follow the laws of the land you live in.&quot;  but to show compassion to those that have nothing.

I think that if Christ were here today, he&#039;d say that it&#039;s up to you and me to help the poor, and that government should stay out of it.  He&#039;d say it&#039;s up to you and me to fund the hospitals, not the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While everyone always asks what would Jesus do?  They often forget that he was also the one who held up a roman coin and said, &#8220;Render to ceasar what is ceasars, and render to God what is God&#8217;s.&#8221;</p>
<p>Christians are directed to reach out to the poor, the sick, the widows and the orphans, but at the same time, God gave us Free will, which means that we are free to either do those things or not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always interpreted that &#8220;Render to ceasar,&#8221; quote as being &#8220;Follow the laws of the land you live in.&#8221;  but to show compassion to those that have nothing.</p>
<p>I think that if Christ were here today, he&#8217;d say that it&#8217;s up to you and me to help the poor, and that government should stay out of it.  He&#8217;d say it&#8217;s up to you and me to fund the hospitals, not the government.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary North also absolutely NAILS Jim Wallis over this issue:

http://www.garynorth.com/public/5318.cfm

And he has been hammering Jim Wallis for years already over his &quot;social gospel&quot;:

http://www.garynorth.com/public/department61.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary North also absolutely NAILS Jim Wallis over this issue:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.garynorth.com/public/5318.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.garynorth.com/public/5318.cfm</a></p>
<p>And he has been hammering Jim Wallis for years already over his &#8220;social gospel&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.garynorth.com/public/department61.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.garynorth.com/public/department61.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Salmon</title>
		<link>http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/08/26/jim-wallis-has-some-funny-definitions-of-moral-obligation/#comment-6071</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Obama will only use the church to serve his needs, I am afraid of what he will do once he no longer needs their support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Obama will only use the church to serve his needs, I am afraid of what he will do once he no longer needs their support.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello????

When the first public education law was enacted the state took over the role of God and parent.

Since then that role has expanded and will continue to expand until parents have no rights as far as their children are concerned.

As the state has replaced God, the state giveth and taketh away. The state determines what is moral and immoral, good and bad, right and wrong.

When Christians capitulated to the modern eugenics movement implemented by Planned Parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger, by approving of contraceptives, it didn&#039;t take a rocket scientist to realize they lost their way.

Today&#039;s health care reform crisis is simply another opportunity for Christian&#039;s to hop on the devil&#039;s wagon and slide on down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello????</p>
<p>When the first public education law was enacted the state took over the role of God and parent.</p>
<p>Since then that role has expanded and will continue to expand until parents have no rights as far as their children are concerned.</p>
<p>As the state has replaced God, the state giveth and taketh away. The state determines what is moral and immoral, good and bad, right and wrong.</p>
<p>When Christians capitulated to the modern eugenics movement implemented by Planned Parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger, by approving of contraceptives, it didn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist to realize they lost their way.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s health care reform crisis is simply another opportunity for Christian&#8217;s to hop on the devil&#8217;s wagon and slide on down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Julianne Wiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julianne Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say, &quot;...[Using government to be a moral enforcer] is exactly the tactic Wallis decries loud and long from anti-abortion activists.&quot;

This needs a note of clarification, though, in the light of two distinguishable kinds of moral obligation, negative and positive.

Look at the &quot;right to life.&quot;

In its negative obligation (&quot;Thou shalt not kill&quot;) it is obligatory for everyone.  NO ONE (not the military, not the medicos, no one) is permitted to directly target an innocent person for death. The role of government is to forbid killing, injuring, aggressing --- and that&#039;s why it is legitimate to expect government to protect those who are at risk of being killed via abortion.

In its positive obligation (promoting life, &quot;Inasmuch as you have done it for the least of my brethren...&quot;) the duty obliges each person in a different way.

Who has the positive obligation to care for the sick?  In the first place, family members.  Spouses care for each others&#039; needs (&quot;in sickness and in health.&quot;)  Parents are responsible for their dependent children.  Adult children care for their aged and frail parents.

Some people have distinctive professional obligations.  Public safety officials --- policemen, firemen --- have a particular vocation to intervene, and even to risk their own lives, to save others.  Doctors and hospitals are obliged not to turn away anyone who requires emergency live-saving treatment. And so forth.

Bottom line: the positive obligations to &quot;promote well-being&quot; and to &quot;care for the sick&quot; are distributed in different degrees and in different ways to different persons. It does not constitue the government&#039;s responsibility.  It is, however, at every point, OURS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say, &#8220;&#8230;[Using government to be a moral enforcer] is exactly the tactic Wallis decries loud and long from anti-abortion activists.&#8221;</p>
<p>This needs a note of clarification, though, in the light of two distinguishable kinds of moral obligation, negative and positive.</p>
<p>Look at the &#8220;right to life.&#8221;</p>
<p>In its negative obligation (&#8220;Thou shalt not kill&#8221;) it is obligatory for everyone.  NO ONE (not the military, not the medicos, no one) is permitted to directly target an innocent person for death. The role of government is to forbid killing, injuring, aggressing &#8212; and that&#8217;s why it is legitimate to expect government to protect those who are at risk of being killed via abortion.</p>
<p>In its positive obligation (promoting life, &#8220;Inasmuch as you have done it for the least of my brethren&#8230;&#8221;) the duty obliges each person in a different way.</p>
<p>Who has the positive obligation to care for the sick?  In the first place, family members.  Spouses care for each others&#8217; needs (&#8220;in sickness and in health.&#8221;)  Parents are responsible for their dependent children.  Adult children care for their aged and frail parents.</p>
<p>Some people have distinctive professional obligations.  Public safety officials &#8212; policemen, firemen &#8212; have a particular vocation to intervene, and even to risk their own lives, to save others.  Doctors and hospitals are obliged not to turn away anyone who requires emergency live-saving treatment. And so forth.</p>
<p>Bottom line: the positive obligations to &#8220;promote well-being&#8221; and to &#8220;care for the sick&#8221; are distributed in different degrees and in different ways to different persons. It does not constitue the government&#8217;s responsibility.  It is, however, at every point, OURS.</p>
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