You’ve heard of the Night of the Long Knives, yes?

Dozens of experimental farms, schools and industrial set-ups that try to work out the bumps and surprises of people living in non-competitive, sharing arrangements. And who have since produced many of Israel’s finest military commanders, intellectuals, artists, etc. , a people whose presenceis so much a part of the Israeli fabric that the headwear and tanned skin that are seen so frequently among these hard-working, collectivists has now become the very image the world now sees as being what the archetypical Israeli probably looks like.

No. have no beef with these people myself. But if you want to call them the same names and insults you throw at non-Zionist left-wingers, then you just go right ahead and fill your boots there, dim one.

You have any comprehenson of how convoluted and downright bizarre this assertion comes across as? You have single-handedly redefined the phrase “pretzel logic”. Wow.

Did you not know his advisor is a prominent Marxist? Perhaps you should have, huh.

First, why are liberals called “liberal? It’s because they have a liberal attitude toward what themselves and others can say and do. That’s the definition of the word liberal, not conservative. That’s not my definition alone as you’ll find something very similar in any *objective* encyclopedia or reference text.

Where we draw the line is in tolerating ours or anothers actions that stand a good chance of bringing harm to someone. That includes tolerating corporate behaviors that are designed solely to maximise profits while avoiding any liability for those killed during the sleazy way they chose to go about it (blood diamonds, kicking sick people off health insurance, etc. ), or tricks used to ensure information that reveals dangerous cost-cutting measures taken never sees the light of day —- or tolerating their imposition of unneccesary fees on a public who must deal with them regardless because they know they’re the only ones providing an essential service.
We draw the line between tolerance of corporate misbehavior and tolerance of personal behaviors that hurts no one else. We don’t want to be complicit in allowing them to harm real people simply to make wealthy people even wealthier. Conservatives seem to almost rejoice in stories of sleazy deals that landed shareholders a tidy profit! Repeatedly you blame the victims slaughtered by multi-national corps should theyhave he temerity to stand up against a corp who’s paying off some dictator to arrest anyone who agitates for more than a nickel an hour. Heil to your corporate masters! ” Did you know Mussolini also said that the perfect fascist state was one where the industrial and political ruling class are one and the same? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!”

The only thing conservatives are liberal with is their desire to let the wealthiest, most powerful people on the planet do whatever they want without any oversight watching to see if they’re making extra cash by killing people with poison dumps sites, poorly monitored meat products, cars that blow up on impact, etc,.etc. This is the “neo-liberalism” that libertarians have created a religion around. What else can you call an “invisible had” that somehow watches over businessmen making sure they act in ethical ways that maximise the most “good” to everyone involved ….at least as long as no-one watches them!

Well, isn’t that convenient…. It’s criminally irresponsible IMO.

But the oversight conservatives do want is laws on behaviors they don’t agree with, (homosexuality, strippers, pot smokers, noise violators, public drunkeness, private drug use, pornography, graphic violence , etc. etc. ) If conservatives are so liberal, then why are so most cops hard-core conservatives? Go take a look at one of their chat forums. Same for prison guards, and career soldiers.
Who is it that is constantly howling for politicians to crack down harder on crime and criminals, a trend in America that has seen a TEN-FOLD increase in the prison population since the 80s, yet without anywhere near even a simple doubling of crime rates? IOW, who is sending all he people to jail for things that wouldn’t have got them much if any time 30 years ago? Liberals? I don’t think so, Bubba.
And who was behind alcohol Prohibition until that disaster was quashed by saner minds, and who lobbied hard to retain prohibition on any drug that didn’t benifit Big Pharma? Who is resisting efforts to smash the drug cartels using the same tactic that eventually took away La Cosa Nostra’s main source of income, albeit far to late to smash the org itself. Conservatives did, do, and will continue to do so for no better reason than to act out a pathological need to maintain the staus quo (can’t be surprised by unknown threats if nothing changes, right?).

No no. You are all for tolerating your own desires and wants, but if they offend your own sense of morality, you can’t wait for the cops to show up and rid you of the horrible experience you have whenever you know that others are enjoying themselves doing something you consider perverse. Somehow you have taken reality and flipped it completely upside down in your desperation to not be what you yourselves have always admitted to in the past. Burke-ian conservatism (athe truly intellectual ideaology) no longer exists in America, but has given way to the uneducated, mean, excuse making form that Linden LaRouche, John Birch Society espouse. It’s now merely a widespread social neurosis, with nothing that Buckley would recognise as an ideology. Your attempts to change the meaning of words, making conservatives into tolerant liberals while trying to say that liberalism contains a desire to force others to obey their dictates, to not enjoy freedom of choice, to make liberty a bad thing…is all the very definition of Orwell’s “Newspeak” —turning words upside down so they come to mean the opposite of what they once did. The effort to move fascism over to the left is a prime example of Newspeak. Find me one respected (Websters, Encyc-Britan eg) reference text that agrees with that assertion. Should be easy for such a smart man showing his knowledgeable insights on a poor, misinformed liberal biologist/mycologist, no?

“Then please explain how the 10 questions a liberal would score highly, and 10 that a conservative would score more highly, with each being a fair representaion of the differences in the way each sees, apparently don’t apply to each.”

The RWA “test” questions Altemeyer puts forth are not at all a “fair representation” of differences between conservatives and liberals.
The conservatives I know are pro-freedom and very limited government.

Your questions that “Or perhaps you don’t agree that these next are views more authoritarian, conservative personalities would answer positively:” begs the question that conservatives want increased control to force their morality on everyone else.

In almost all cases (abortion, stem cell research, and pornography being the exceptions) conservatives REJECT increased control. It is the Left that wants to shut people up. Look at what some of Obama’s Czars are spouting (Mark Lloyd, the unlamented Van Jones) about mandating localism in broadcasts, etc. A backhanded way of Big Brotherism.

I read enough of Altemeyer’s paper to know it is a crock of excrement.

And, you, sir, don’t know what true conservatism is. Your ignorance is glaring. Get rid of your stereotypes.

Liberalism really is an infantile mental disorder. Sheesh!

Or perhaps you don’t agree that these next are views more authoritarian, conservative personalities would answer positively:
___ . Our country desperately needs a mighty leader who will do what has to be done to destroy the radical new ways and sinfulness that are ruining us.

___ . It is always better to trust the judgment of the proper authorities in government and
religion than to listen to the noisy rabble-rousers in our society who are trying to create
doubt in people’s minds

__ . The only way our country can get through the crisis ahead is to get back to our traditional values, put some tough leaders in power, and silence the troublemakers spreading bad ideas.

___ . Our country will be destroyed someday if we do not smash the perversions eating away at our moral fiber and traditional beliefs.

___ . The “old-fashioned ways” and the “old-fashioned values” still show the best way to live.

___ . What our country really needs is a strong, determined leader who will crush evil, and take us back to our true path.

___ . God’s laws about abortion, pornography and marriage must be strictly followed before it is too late, and those who break them must be strongly punished.

___ . There are many radical, immoral people in our country today, who are trying to ruin it for their own godless purposes, whom the authorities should put out of action.

___ . Our country will be great if we honor the ways of our forefathers, do what the authorities tell us to do, and get rid of the “rotten apples” who are ruining everything.

___ . This country would work a lot better if certain groups of troublemakers would just shut up and accept their group’s traditional place in society.

And these are the ones a liberal would score more highly:

__ . Gays and lesbians are just as healthy and moral as anybody else.

___ . Atheists and others who have rebelled against the established religions are no doubt every bit as good and virtuous as those who attend church regularly.

___ . There is absolutely nothing wrong with nudist camps.

___ . Our country needs free thinkers who have the courage to defy traditional ways, even if this upsets many people.

___ . Everyone should have their own lifestyle, religious beliefs, and sexual preferences, even if it makes them different from everyone else.

___ . You have to admire those who challenged the law and the majority’s view by protesting
for women’s abortion rights, for animal rights, or to abolish school prayer.

___ . Some of the best people in our country are those who are challenging our government,
criticizing religion, and ignoring the “normal way things are supposed to be done.”

___ . A “woman’s place” should be wherever she wants to be. The days when women are
submissive to their husbands and social conventions belong strictly in the past.

__. There is no “ONE right way” to live life; everybody has to create their own way.

___ . Homosexuals and feminists should be praised for being brave enough to defy “traditional family values.
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Explain why you don’t agree that these questions don’t adequately capture some of the basic differences in outlook between the two .

Or are you now going “Damn! I should have at least read the thing before mouthing off with my preconceptions about any scientist who would dare to link authoritarian followers with the people who staffed Treblinka etc. or authoritarian leaders with the people who ordered the camps built.” Please explain to me how it was really liberals who did it all.

His test is fatally flawed. He begged the questions for a predetermined outcome and then weighted the scale toward the outcome.

If this is an example of serious “scholarship” than KEith Olbermann is an objective reporter.

Sorry. You have no credibility.

I have been published in peer reviewed journals, but not in this field. I hold two “hard science” degrees.

What are YOUR credentials?

I suggest you read “the Ominous Parallels” by Peikoff for the explanation why the NSDAP were left-wing totalitarian fascists.

AFA why Hitler’s regime killed socialists, it was for a struggle of power.

Why Kruglanski, Jost, Altemeyer, and all the rest bother quoting Ray’s predictably assasine criticisms in their work is tendency I wouldn’t give “him” the time of day for.

Btw. WTF does the Frankfurt school (of economics!) got to do with the stacks of research being done since ww2 by thousands of social psychologists looking into the personality type that blindly follows men like Hitler, bizarrely believing that “following orders” should aquit them of all responsibility for the Holocaust (the vast majority of whom were/are…guess who? Thats right. Gullible authoritarians being led by SDO leaders, hence the fatal “RWA-SDO embrace” as it’s come to be called. (Horowitz being a classic SDO, btw)

Which also explains their being hired by DHS, even if the wingnut portion of the political field is too ignorant to know what’s going on all around them.